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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
http://unkind.atspace.com/seizure.html

^^ This guy rang in on a radio station and said he was a paedophile. So his son got taken away from him.

My arguement is that while the kid's safety is the priority but isn't incest and paedophillia completely different things? From reading that article I honestly don't think the risk was assessed properly and how the authorities dealt with him in the past and now is absolutely disgusting.
I was restrained to a bed. My pants and underwear were lowered and my penis put in an open pair of scissors by the facility staff and Adolescent Program Director. I was told that they should cut my penis off. This was in 1985 and it has never gotten better.

This makes me wonder who the real sickos are. I wonder....

It enrages me how people are so fucking pre-historic about the issue of paedophillia. Take for example Sarah's Law/Megan's Law. I think that it would achieve the opposite and have really messed up consequences.

For one naming and shaming paedophiles is simply pushing the whole thing underground making paedophiles harder to monitor. The would be paedophile will have feelings of low self-esteem, low self-worth, exclusion and isolation that are all common before offending behaviour, sooo when you single this person out of the community and say "you'll never be welcome here," you're giving them license to shrug and offend again. It can disrupt treatment programmes they're on, if they're scared to go out, or they don't see the point but basically excluding them is the worst thing you can do.

Any views?

P.S. I hardly ever post in here so please be patient!
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeh, it's one of those topics where if you try to discuss it in a reasonable manner you'll always get people who say "they're sick fucks, cut their dicks off" and stuff like that. It's better to examine why people act like this, how we can minimilise their threat and how we can monitor them properly without making them subject to hate campaigns, both in the public eye and in the media.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Yeh, it's one of those topics where if you try to discuss it in a reasonable manner you'll always get people who say "they're sick fucks, cut their dicks off" and stuff like that. It's better to examine why people act like this, how we can minimilise their threat and how we can monitor them properly without making them subject to hate campaigns, both in the public eye and in the media.
    :yes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To be honest, that shit fucks with my head.

    I fucking hate pedophiles and pedophilia but I understand that with some of them they can't help it and don't really "act" on it.

    But on the other hand I have a son that is nearly two years old and understand the love he talks about, if my son were to be taken away from me tomorrow I would completely lose the fucking plot.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    http://unkind.atspace.com/seizure.html

    ^^ This guy rang in on a radio station and said he was a paedophile. So his son got taken away from him.

    My arguement is that while the kid's safety is the priority but isn't incest and paedophillia completely different things?
    Tbh no. More often than not, the two are combined. Children are more at risk from their family or close family friends than from any stranger.
    I think they took the right precautionary measures.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tbh no. More often than not, the two are combined. Children are more at risk from their family or close family friends than from any stranger.
    I think they took the right precautionary measures.

    :yes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    For one naming and shaming paedophiles is simply pushing the whole thing underground making paedophiles harder to monitor. The would be paedophile will have feelings of low self-esteem, low self-worth, exclusion and isolation that are all common before offending behaviour, sooo when you single this person out of the community and say "you'll never be welcome here," you're giving them license to shrug and offend again. It can disrupt treatment programmes they're on, if they're scared to go out, or they don't see the point but basically excluding them is the worst thing you can do.

    But if you were a parents, wouldn't you like to know whether a paedophile was living in the same area as you?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im a parent and I disagree with sarahs/megans law, because i dont think it helps, when the majority of paedophilic offences happen by peoples own
    family members. it overplays stranger danger, and underplays incestual paedophila.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote:
    But if you were a parents, wouldn't you like to know whether a paedophile was living in the same area as you?

    For the purpose of what?

    Nail bombing their house?

    I'm sure there are plenty of paedophiles where I live. Many not yet known to the police.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael, I was thinking more about the safety of your child more than so that you can go and bomb their house.
    Im a parent and I disagree with sarahs/megans law, because i dont think it helps, when the majority of paedophilic offences happen by peoples own
    family members. it overplays stranger danger, and underplays incestual paedophila.

    You mean for some people it can just be a 'one-off' thing and that's it?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael, I was thinking more about the safety of your child more than so that you can go and bomb their house.

    As much as you'd like to it's going to be pretty hard to protect your child from the big bad wolves in the area. Paedophiles do leave the house and while raping your kid may not be on their my mind 24/7 I do understand why they are obviously a threat. What is so bad about teaching your children about stranger danger rather than when they see the suspected paedo in an anorak to cross the road?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But the so-called 'Sarah's Law' wouldn't make children more safe- it would actually put them in greater danger.

    Knowing where sex offenders live will invariably lead to them being attacked by vigilantes and hate mobs. They will be driven underground. And the police will cease to know their whereabouts. That's not good at all.

    And in any case, what difference does it make whether you know if there are any paedophiles in your neighbourhood? What's stopping a paedophile who is intent on molesting a child from travelling to your area from 20, 30, 50 miles away?

    Nothing is.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes Sarah law would'nt protect people realy, in the Estate where my house is if there was someone branded a Paedophile it would be tountermount to a death sentance, so anybody in the same circhamstance would have to go underground, thus increasing the risks of them reoffending.

    And what was that artical about, the guys a self confessed paedophile and then he's suprised that his son gets taked away from him, hes a NAMBLA member ???? whats his wife on ??

    Its like me being a a self confessed arsonist and wondering why I couldnt get a job as a fireman.

    Did anybody make sence of that artical I think theres a lot that guys not mentioning.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Did anybody make sence of that artical I think theres a lot that guys not mentioning.
    thats exactly what I thought.

    if they didnt take the child away, and then it turned out his child had been abused, it would have been awful that authorities new about it, but just thought hed probably be alright.
  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Warming up? Posts: 16,688
    Its like me being a a self confessed arsonist and wondering why I couldnt get a job as a fireman.
    No it isn't. It would be like you not being hired as a fireman because you said you like fires. Once more, just because someone is a paedophile it doesn't mean they're ever going to attack a kid any more than being a hetero male means you're going to rape a woman.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No it isn't. It would be like you not being hired as a fireman because you said you like fires. Once more, just because someone is a paedophile it doesn't mean they're ever going to attack a kid any more than being a hetero male means you're going to rape a woman.
    well yeah, youre in danger here of thinking that paedophilia is just like any other sexual orientation, when its not. Paedophilia is sex with children. These children arent able to give consent, and even if they could, the vast majority of the time wouldnt. A sexual orientation that is based on abusing vulnerable people can NEVER be given anything like the status of sex between consenting adults.
  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Warming up? Posts: 16,688
    well yeah, youre in danger here of thinking that paedophilia is just like any other sexual orientation, when its not. Paedophilia is sex with children. These children arent able to give consent, and even if they could, the vast majority of the time wouldnt. A sexual orientation that is based on abusing vulnerable people can NEVER be given anything like the status of sex between consenting adults.
    I get what you're saying, and agree. But still I don't think it's safe to say that anyone who's a paedophile is also a (potential) criminal.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont know, but you wouldnt give a man that had admitted rape fantasies, a job working with vulnerable women would you?
    With heterosexual people or homosexual people, its fairly easy to get their sexual needs met. Everyone has sexual needs! Someone whos sexual fantasies revolve around small children, arent a safe bet when it comes to childcare.
  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Warming up? Posts: 16,688
    i dont know, but you wouldnt give a man that had admitted rape fantasies, a job working with vulnerable women would you?
    With heterosexual people or homosexual people, its fairly easy to get their sexual needs met. Everyone has sexual needs! Someone whos sexual fantasies revolve around small children, arent a safe bet when it comes to childcare.
    Agreed, but still I don't think treating them like criminals when they've done nothing is the right or moral thing to do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I get what you're saying, and agree. But still I don't think it's safe to say that anyone who's a paedophile is also a (potential) criminal.

    Well they are as they cant satisfy that sexual desire legaly like a normal hetro/home sexual person can. They have a desire to do something illegal for which there is no legal substitute.

    Where as I dont actually have any desire to rape somebody only to have consentual sex
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote:
    But if you were a parents, wouldn't you like to know whether a paedophile was living in the same area as you?


    why? most likely there is probably one in every town in the country, and most of the danger lies with family, not strangers
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    As Turlough said really.

    Also - this guy - he says he only was done for one incident of possessing child pornography. He hasn't been shown to actually be a risk and carry out any sexual acts against children. I wouldn't want to take the risk personally - but, did he posess this child porn knowingly or not, should be the question in this case imho.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote:
    I think it must be some kind of psychological kink that makes people go for this kind of behaviour. It must be the fact that it's a taboo that makes people stoop to this kind of level. There must be something wrong in the mind of the world.
    I dunno, it's only really been illegal for the last century or so, it hasn't always been such a taboo and people still did it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote:
    But if you were a parent, wouldn't you like to know whether a paedophile was living in the same area as you?

    Frankly I'd prefer them to be in prison/secure hospital rather than living freely in an area near anybody.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LeedsLad wrote:
    Frankly I'd prefer them to be in prison/secure hospital rather than living freely in an area near anybody.
    :yes: If the public is required to know the whereabouts of dangerous people, then it just means the authorities aren't doing their job correctly (that would be a surprise though wouldn't it).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote:
    But if you were a parents, wouldn't you like to know whether a paedophile was living in the same area as you?

    I am a parent, and I don't want to know.

    What this law misses is that most acts are carried out by family members, not strangers.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If we treated sex offenders as the 'sickos' the papers like to call them and detained them in secure hospitals they could be properly assessed, then only released when they posed a very low risk to the public.

    The current system is stupid, because whether you think they are a danger or not, at the end of the prison time you have to let them go.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tbh, i wouldn't want to know if was a parent. You can almost guarante that theres at least 1 pedophile in each town/community anyway. As long as you teach your kids about how to be safe at home and on the net - there's not much else you can do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "I'm the only paedo in the village"





    :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont know, but you wouldnt give a man that had admitted rape fantasies

    What about women that admit to rape fantasies?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What about women that admit to rape fantasies?
    women that have rape fantasies its generally about getting raped rather than doing the raping, but if they had fantasies about abusing other people, then dont give them the job either!
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