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No copper to be charged over De Menezes' killing.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5186050.stm
Well what a surprise!
In fact the only surprise is that they didn't choose to disclose these findings this Saturday instead, to mark the first anniversary of his death in style.
And Ian Blair can continue to sit happily in his chair.
Trebles all around!
Well what a surprise!
In fact the only surprise is that they didn't choose to disclose these findings this Saturday instead, to mark the first anniversary of his death in style.
And Ian Blair can continue to sit happily in his chair.
Trebles all around!
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BUT - the whole operation was badly managed and was totally uselessly lead, and thats where charges should have been laid.
ITA.
So either he's a fool or a liar - either way he should be thrown out of office.
Though some of the coppers involved (the ones doing the surveillance for instance) are certainly guilty of gross negiglence IMO.
That said there's still a different case to answer over the altering of the log, leaks from the police and the frankly contempible decision not to prosecute the IPPC leaker.
The whole affair makes the police look like they're too stupid to do their jobs
Back then their excuse was everythign was moving so fast, bombs had just gone off in London, etc
However the recent incident where they needed 250 police officers to arrest 2 men (shooting one of them inthe shoulder) they'd been watching for sometime shows even with all the time in the world and all the resources they can't make good decisions.
If the bombings of 7/7 had been stopped by the police would anyone be compaining? no, of course not. So why complain now, when the feds are trying to stop these attacks from happening before they get chance to.
On that basis anyone who lives in the same block of flats as someone suspected of being a terrorist is also a suspect and therefore are fair game.
Aside from that there is of course the deliberate misleading information and statements and outright lies delivered to the public after the shooting by our fine Police Commissioner.
And the prior negiglence by those in charge of identifying possible suspects. One is taking a leak, the other thinks De Menezes must be one of the bombers because he has 'Mongolian eyes'.
This was one monumental fuck up, in every step of the way. Yet not a single person will face charges.
It's a sad joke.
Nope it was a cock-up - no doubts about that. He wasn't a terrorist and wasn't armed.
Where I differ from others is that I don't think its an individual to blame. There weren't enough people doing the suveillance (which is a resources issue), control and communications broke down to the extent where a possible suspect was passed to the shooters as a probable suspect. And they were told they were on the way to deal with a suicide bomber.
There's plenty of failures in the operation, but given that no-one individual is to blame it seems wrong to prosecute (and jail) someone for it.
Or at the very very very least kicked out of their post?
At the end of the day that's what usually happens in the business world (and sometimes in politics) when there is a major fuck up. The chap at the top gets it- it comes with the job.
I'd support Blair* getting the sack - but I struggle to see why he should be prosecuted.
* actually both Blairs getting the sack.
Where EXACTLY does your solid leads info come from?
The police found the address of a place in London on one of the bombers a few days earlier - scribbled down on a piece of paper - is that what you call solid lead?
The address just happened to be of a entire block of several flats, not one flat but lots of flats ..
They followed someone who had darker then average skin out of one of the flats, allowed him to catch a London bus and then to enter the London Underground and then shot him in the head in a confined space.
If they'd simply arrested him on him his front door step and searched him none of this would have ever happened.
It's people like you that let these vermin get away with this.
If Menezes was such a credible terrorist threat then why wasn't he shot 45 minutes before he was? If he was such a fucking danger he should have been shot on his doorstep.
Why was he allowed to ride around on the top deck of a bus for 30 minutes- after all, its not like they'd blown a bus up or anything?
Why was he allowed to calmly walk through the tube station, and then only shot- not once, but eight times (of which five missed- wtf?) once he was safely on the train?
I don't expect any answers from you, or anyone else who thinks that because the police did it it must be right.
The staff who shot him should be up for manslaughter, and the intelligence staff who were too busy having a piss to monitor the flats properly should be up for manslaughter. The fact that they are not is not a surprise, my gammon steak will be flying onto my plate long before a copper will prosecute another copper.
As for the IPCC leak, they deserve a medal. I wouldn't expect those of us who believe in state secrets to understand that.
On a serious note, I would like this story to finally go away. Yes it didn't go right (the incident), but you're not the police and I'm not either. they have a job to do and that's to protect us from criminals. let them do their job!
It kills me how the Brazilian government vows to do more for the family. Their government is whiter than white isn't it. :rolleyes:
Why don't their sort out their own corrupt authorities instead of trying to get one back at the British government. It's a game to them.
Do stay on topic if you will.
They fucked up. They killed an innocent man. Someone should pay the price. Anyone else, from any other profession or walk of life, would pay the price if they killed a person through negiglence.
So what?
Who gives a shit?
They are a bunch of hyprocrites thats what!
Are we at war? That's news to the entire country, believe me.
Moreover, is the police at war? It'd be the first time the Met is at war with anyone.
Stop making excuses.
Rather irrelevant to the actual killing and the policemen involved escaping charges don't you think?
But if the brazilian government was our coppers done for that.... aint they bloody hypocrites? dont their police kill children that are homeless, well have done in the past? They have got some cheek.
Yes they do, though you would expect any government to act in the way it did. Most governments are hypocrities.
I believe we are.
My point was though, that the brazlians have cheek criticing us, when they have lower standards than us.
And even if we were at war, the police certainly isn't at war with anyone. That's a job for the army.
The killing was inexcusable and charges should have been brought.
End of.
the police do have a role to play, they must protect the public from the terrorists as some are in this country,. the army can't possible do this as they have other jobs to do
There have been terrorism in this country for decades. Yet you never saw the police fucking up survelleance through gross negiglence and shooting an innocent man 7 times in the head with dum-dum bullets.
No excuses. No 'buts'.
[QUOTE=Aladdin
There have been terrorism in this country for decades. Yet you never saw the police fucking up survelleance through gross negiglence and shooting an innocent man 7 times in the head with dum-dum bullets.
No excuses. No 'buts'.[/QUOTE]There has been terrorism but the IRA is a different kind. I've said this ebfore, it's not world wide, it's aims are different, it's not as bigetc
The fact remains the police fucked up through gross negiglence. No excuses. No 'buts'.
They made a mess yes, but why keep bringing it up after 12 months? The clock can't be turned back. Let it pass and move on.