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just a badly worded post by yourself luke
thats where i thought it soudned like you were saying there was a scottish party line
the party line doesnt belong to scottish mp's
therefore you dont know whats going on do you
Yes I know excatly what i'm talking about.
rebellions in the constituencies?
you mean Mp's rebelling against the party line dont you?
Therefore.... if your MP votes infavour of the war in Iraq for example... there may be huge rebellions in that constituency so they vote against them next time round.
Whereas in Scotland, when they vote on legislation concerning England only, say it's unpopular, the government can get the help of Scottish Mp's to vote infavour of it using the parties whip. As they (the Scottish MP's) having nothing to loose since it won't affect their constituents, therefore no threat to their political success.
the situation you describe is a side effect of symptom of what we call the situation known as the west lothian question, the government dont actually use party whips specifically to target scottish mp's because of that fact
just the same way as just because i had salad for lunch, doesnt make me a veggie
ever stopped and thought luke that the reason people dont follow party lines, is not because of the potential for a big back lash, but because they dont believe in it
and the reason many people do support the party line, scottish or not, do so because they do believe in what they see on the table
because the scottish MP's we are talking about are members of wesminster parliament, MSP's (members of scottish parliament) are a completely different set of people, and they voted against top up fees
doesnt matter what the westminster whip does in relation to MP's in scottish constituencys, those MP's dont vote in the scottish parliament, so i dont see where your point is coming from
because scottish MP's and MSP's are two entirely different things, and you can only be one or the other
because a scottish MP swore allegiance to the crown i do believe?
and they are a little too busy being a Member of her majesties government, if they wanted to lobby the scottish parliament, then they would stand as a MSP
i think you (luke) have lost the plot a bit, the above quote is from the origional post by yourself, in this thread
British democracy is eroding, unless england gets some form of power?
British is to english
As english is to british
As hot cross buns are to easter
As americans are to oil
With the assemblies in each of those countries, there really isn't any justification why they should continue with the current set up.
i always think that the only argument worth siding with luke on, is one you know you cant win anyway
i think we also need to view it as devolution for england as well, as opposed to the concept luke is suggesting of distancing and seperateing england from wales and scotland, we need to really seperate england from the british government first
I'm fed of of repeating my self....
I do not want Scottish people voting on legilsation that will affect me unless its reserved power. As my MP can not vote on Scottish issues.
good argument, but as the nice man above just said about you fluffing them up, look below
because they are allready members of the british government
yes they can vote on scottish issues if it relates to defence
and im fed up of you having to repeat yourself, if you said something pretty sensible in the first place, that made sense, and didnt have an argument with holes wider than a collander, then id be all for it
Each nation has its own parlaiment and westminister deals with the rest.
US style federal system really but minature.
because we all want to be like the US
blair the poodle start ringing bells again?
its like the latest fetish, wanting to be all american again
That way you'll get impartial votes not swayed by by minor concerns. And lets face it, having the immense intellect and common sense of Scottish MPs controlling your country is a GOOD thing.
Yup, dissolve the Westminister Parliament and let us rule the country. It'll be grand.