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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    is inch ...his dick size ...a cry for help therefore?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Proper graff is :cool:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katralla wrote:
    The tag is despised and yet the so admired 'piece is nothing but a glorified tag, bigger, bolder, outlined, 3D, backgrounds, fills on a floor, wall, underpass, train, art gallery- it's all the same. Graffiti is about the name, whether you're up with a dirty dripping home made glass etch marker pen on a bus window or have a neat two tone portrait of Bob Marley on canvas, finishing touches in pantone trias hanging in a prissy art gallery somewhere, it's all about the fame... If people don't like graffiti- that's understandable, there's reason enough but for people to admire the piece whilst hating the tag seems vile and hypocritical to me- it's like loving a concerto whilst hating a violin...

    tagging is different to graffitti, we've explained this, tagging is just writing ur name on a wall to annoy someone! or get a reputation, graffitti is the use of a wall or concrete space to convey a political message! (which some artists prefere to put their name to because if its respected then no idiot will come along and tag over it)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tagging was the begging of graffiti, graffiti was started by some some kid who ,decided hed go write taki 183 on a wall an then since then its every where any piece you have ever seen originated from a tag a tag is a graffiti, a tag is the easiest way to get recognition tags started graffiti.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tagging is different to graffitti, we've explained this, tagging is just writing ur name on a wall to annoy someone! or get a reputation, graffitti is the use of a wall or concrete space to convey a political message! (which some artists prefere to put their name to because if its respected then no idiot will come along and tag over it)


    Sorry, but you're talking bollocks. Tagging and graff are inextricably linked. Most graff is not political either.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Sorry, but you're talking bollocks. Tagging and graff are inextricably linked. Most graff is not political either.

    historically, it graffiti was political and much of it still is anti bush and blair is rife at the moment, but if you read some of 'graffiti' you will see its a name (tag) dressed up as graffiti
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    historically, it graffiti was political and much of it still is anti bush and blair is rife at the moment, but if you read some of 'graffiti' you will see its a name (tag) dressed up as graffiti

    If we're talking about graff as in hip hop (which we are), you couldn't be more wrong.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    If we're talking about graff as in hip hop (which we are), you couldn't be more wrong.

    hip hop has taken graffiti for its own it has actually first used in ancient greece and rome, the word itself is actually roman! some ancient graffiti can still be seen in italy these days. The first known example of graffiti survives in the ancient Greek city of Ephesus (in modern-day Turkey) to advertise prostitution. The eruption of Vesuvius preserved graffiti carved on the walls of Pompeii, and such slogans of everyday Latin, insults, magic, love declarations, political consigns.

    thats how far back it goes, hip-hop claimed it for their own because it was cool and the first hip hop group were very political eg NWA and Public Enemy, but as hip hop changed to pop lyrics the political edge has been lost!
    but there are those out there how do political graffiti as a way of showing their protest.

    its a sub culture , which is a mix of anti society, politics, anarchy, but unfortunately taggers especially INCH are turning into a fame.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, thanks for the lecture on hip hop. :rolleyes:

    Btw, that quote from Wikipedia hardly backs up your point.

    P.S.
    If you want some contemporary political hip hop, try Paris, The Coup, Immortal Technique and Dead Prez for starters.

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    NWA weren't really political. Try BDP and KRS 1.

    P.P.P.S.
    The roots of political hop hop go back further than PE to people like Gil Scot-Heron and The Last Poets.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Yes, thanks for the lecture on hip hop. :rolleyes:

    Btw, that quote from Wikipedia hardly backs up your point.

    P.S.
    If you want some contemporary political hip hop, try Paris, The Coup, Immortal Technique and Dead Prez for starters.

    P.P.S.
    NWA weren't really political. Try BDP and KRS 1.

    P.P.P.S.
    The roots of political hop hop go back further than PE to people like Gil Scot-Heron and The Last Poets.

    Agree and disagree.

    Agree - About your assertions of graff and that NWA weren't a polictical group in any real sense.

    Disagree - Dead Prez & Immortal Technique i don't see as really political either. The latest Dead Prez album i download was just full of anti-white racist filth (good beats though). Immortal Technique is just one angry ass man.

    Damn, i wanted to agree entirely with you on this topic. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tbh I haven't heard the latest Dead Prez album, but the stuff I do have is political. Immortal Technique raps about socialism and class, making him political in my book.
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