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Hawking: Colonise Mars to survive

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fusion technology requires a helium isotope. A very rare isotope, actually. And thus, expensive. On the moon, there is tonnes and tonnes of the stuff all over the surface. If a base was there they could send it back to earth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    currently
    if you travel at the speed of light it will take you one hundred thousand years to cross our not very large in the scheme of things galaxy.
    and you don't have to go very far up the spiral arm before the view of the rest of the univers is blotted out ...making exploring other parts of the universe even harder

    so ...we manage to travel at the speed of light ...which way do you point your craft in the hope of finding somewhere suitable?
    the next galaxy would take five million years to reach at the speed of light.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If we colonate Mars would the human beings be called Martians? First evidence of AI maybe! :chin:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ben Bova is an author who has written science fiction books on the human races outward expansion. It's very interesting actually.

    First was moon, which started as an experimental colony, then grew into an economic base with space rovers / launching pad where they shipped things back to earth. Then they sent a probe to Mars (i.e. like the moon lander) to have a lookie. Was all good. A couple of years later they go back with a massive colony ship (well, not massive, but pretty big, basically it landed on the surface and could drive around but they choose a position for it and inflate a big balloon for lots of plants and a small habitat, supporting upto 20 people.

    Then they sent ships out to the asteroid belt to tow asteroids back as they are rich with different resources. There are iron asteroids, water asteroids and some other one :confused: but yea.

    Then in the end they all get fucked over because of a religious movement on Earth. Pretty good actually :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if you travel at the speed of light it will take you one hundred thousand years to cross our not very large in the scheme of things galaxy.
    and you don't have to go very far up the spiral arm before the view of the rest of the univers is blotted out ...making exploring other parts of the universe even harder

    so ...we manage to travel at the speed of light ...which way do you point your craft in the hope of finding somewhere suitable?
    the next galaxy would take five million years to reach at the speed of light.

    That's interesting. Saying as light is the fastest thing in the universe, do you think it's possible that there's a super super super race of beings millions upon millions of light years away sent a craft in our direction at close to the speed of light? They could have sent it yesterday, or 10 million years ago, it could land tomorrow, or 10 million years time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    That's interesting. Saying as light is the fastest thing in the universe, do you think it's possible that there's a super super super race of beings millions upon millions of light years away sent a craft in our direction at close to the speed of light? They could have sent it yesterday, or 10 million years ago, it could land tomorrow, or 10 million years time.
    another thing ...if you were to travel a couple of million light years ...you would pick up coronation street and other radio transmissions that have left the earth.
    so any inteligent race out there will know we are here.
    the thing is ...we have spent billions on tryoing to find an inteligent signal coming from anywhere ...silence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BTW, if I was to travel the universe, I'd use a fusion powered generation ship. Basically, have it so the floors are perpendicular to the line of motion. Then accelerate at roughly 9.8ms-1 as this accellerative force will have no physiological long term effect on the human body. Food will be produced on board, with everything being recycled in a small ecosystem. Unfortunately, due to the inconvenience any illness would cause, there would be a selective breeding program :( as if they're to populate a whole world then the crew would have to remain fit and at a relatively constant level. Recreational sex would be encouraged to boost morale :D

    As for energy, this would be obtained in several forms. Solar panels, for when passing through solar systems, can be an effective method of passive power gain. However, supplies for fusion would need to be harvested eventually, hopefully at this time advanced scanners (a la star trek) would be able to isolate where this was. Thirdly, a solar scoop at the front, which would collect matter, mostly which is radioactive (hence can be used to produce power) anyway. Excess can be scrapped.

    It could work. Add a couple of rocket launchers for defence against aliens and we're away!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if you travel at the speed of light it will take you one hundred thousand years to cross our not very large in the scheme of things galaxy.
    and you don't have to go very far up the spiral arm before the view of the rest of the univers is blotted out ...making exploring other parts of the universe even harder

    so ...we manage to travel at the speed of light ...which way do you point your craft in the hope of finding somewhere suitable?
    the next galaxy would take five million years to reach at the speed of light.

    If you sailed too far you dropped of the edge of the world. Someone questioned that and hello America.

    Never question ambition.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    another thing ...if you were to travel a couple of million light years ...you would pick up coronation street and other radio transmissions that have left the earth.
    so any inteligent race out there will know we are here.
    the thing is ...we have spent billions on tryoing to find an inteligent signal coming from anywhere ...silence.

    The thought that we are alone is actually much scarier than the thought that there is something out there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    If you sailed too far you dropped of the edge of the world. Someone questioned that and hello America.

    Never question ambition.
    the fear of falling off was based on the fact we knew the earth was only a small thing in a big place.
    and ...very few people ever actualy believed that.
    people have known and written about the earth being a globe for over three thousand years.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    The thought that we are alone is actually much scarier than the thought that there is something out there.
    awesome innit!:eek:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    turlough wrote:
    The thought that we are alone is actually much scarier than the thought that there is something out there.

    Aye... but the going is against us being alone tbh. No real reason though to beleive their is someone more advanced than us tbh.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    So don't count on seeing ET anytime soon... it'll probably be down to use to go and find him.

    And he may well be a bit behind us and think our spaceship landing is the Devil or something daft.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Aye... but the going is against us being alone tbh. No real reason though to beleive their is someone more advanced than us tbh.
    the evidence so far ...would suggest we are alone.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There could be life out there, only in it's infant stage, micro-organisms, small creatures in the sea, hundreds of millions of years behind us.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    the evidence so far ...would suggest we are alone.

    Yes, but that is the evidence, which is EXTREMELY limit considering our technology and what we know in the universe.

    The odds of there being something out there in a vast amount of stuff so huge, are rather good. With so many variables, there is plenty of chances life may have evolved.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the evidence so far ...would suggest we are alone.
    Well not quite. That's a bit like saying if you flick a coin once and it lands on heads, the evidence suggests coins will always land on heads.

    There is not an awful lot of evidence, but there is some, as well as highly probable theory based on evidence and common sense. We know that life can exist if the right elements and conditions are there. And given that there are billions upon billions of stars, most of them with orbitiing planets around them, it is practically impossible that the life organisms of planet Earth are the only ones in the Universe.

    It'd be like flicking a coin 100 billion times and expecting it to land on heads every time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    It'd be like flicking a coin 100 billion times and expecting it to land on heads every time.

    No, it's not that certain that there's life out there but the odds are good.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
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    Well... if he says it... thats from a good source. I have often thought this to be the only was we will survive unless we find some way to reverse global warming... but quite this soon? Worrying really... but our planet is getting very close to being entirley spent. We may have to go somewhere close up until intergalactic travel is fesable. But is it REALLY realistic to say Mars? I mean... that'd be highly difficult to do sucessfully. The complications and chances for something to go wrong are ENORMOUS.

    Thoughts?

    But how would it be protected against Al Queda???

    On a serious note...
    Mars in 20 years....idealistic garbage!!
    There is as much chance of that happening as George Bush becoming a philantropist or even knowing what the damn word means.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    There is not an awful lot of evidence, but there is some, based on evidence and common sense. And given that there are billions upon billions of stars, most of them with orbitiing planets around them,
    .
    based on what evidence?
    they are not even sure they have discovered ANY planets around any of the billions of suns out there.
    they think they MIGHT have discovered a handful.
    where do you get your information from?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    based on what evidence?
    they are not even sure they have discovered ANY planets around any of the billions of suns out there.
    they think they MIGHT have discovered a handful.
    where do you get your information from?

    Hence the evidence is in favour, we DON'T KNOW. So there COULD be.

    Little to no evidence either way leaves the possibilities open.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    based on what evidence?
    they are not even sure they have discovered ANY planets around any of the billions of suns out there.
    they think they MIGHT have discovered a handful.
    where do you get your information from?
    Er...they have discovered more than 100 planets in the last 10 years or so. Only a few months ago they discovered the first planet outside the solar system by optical means (all the other new planets were detected by non-optical means).

    It seems that the Universe is teeming with planets. It is ludicrous to think some of them at least won't be home to life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wahoo... He finally came to this conclusion, it was about fucking time... I came to this conclusion fucking years ago... The only trouble is that space mission/scientist got it all wrong to start with, if they keep using rocket we will never be able to acheive such thing in that kind of time frame... Rockets are the most stupid way of going to space...
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Wahoo... He finally came to this conclusion, it was about fucking time... I came to this conclusion fucking years ago... The only trouble is that space mission/scientist got it all wrong to start with, if they keep using rocket we will never be able to acheive such thing in that kind of time frame... Rockets are the most stupid way of going to space...

    But they are cheaper and more efficient and less wasteful than the Shuttle, which is exactally why the Russians (Who came up with the shuttle idea first) dissmissed it... then NASA saw they had and made one. The Russians saw NASA had one and went ahead with their old plans.

    Do'h.

    Rockets are the only real forseable way yet, except for the Russian compasny Energia's protype (lacking any funding yet though) - it launches off the back ofthe AN-225 plane into space. Quite a good idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What about the ghosts...aren't their ghosts on mars? Don't they haunt it...well, sit around doing not very much because there is no one alive their to haunt or spook, but when we arrive and colonise it they will scare us shitless and send us packing until we call in the Exorcist and then he will get pushed down some stone stairs.

    Or, maybe there is giant environmental oxygen making machines under the surface, burried for thousands of millions of years and left unknown to us because we dont live there and aliens who did, left to bugger each other while snorting lines of sugar...which to martians is like cocaine!
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    subject13 wrote:
    What about the ghosts...aren't their ghosts on mars? Don't they haunt it...well, sit around doing not very much because there is no one alive their to haunt or spook, but when we arrive and colonise it they will scare us shitless and send us packing until we call in the Exorcist and then he will get pushed down some stone stairs. Or, maybe there is giant environmental oxygen making machines under the surface, burried for thousands of millions of years and left unknown to us because we dont live there and aliens who did, left to bugger each other while snorting lines of sugar...which to martians is like cocaine!

    No, they actually have FUCK OFF GIANT walking war machines that kill everything, and they invade the UK in the good version of the film and the book. Don't bother with the new one except to see two things:
    A) Burning Humvee's driving about.
    B) A burning train pelt past at high speed.
    But yeah. Don't worry, we'll give 'em all the Flu.
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