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You don't know much about the role of officers then. There's no way as an officer I was going to sit back and let my men go into danger when I didn't go with them. Nor would my colleagues.
Look at the casulties in Iraq you'll see a fair smattering of officers there.
Fuck look, at Goose Green in the Falklands 17 dead overall including one Lt-Col, 2 captains and 1 lieutenant.
In WW1 the poisition with the highest proportion of casualties was platoon, with company commanders not far behind.
But that's not true either - at least in the British Army, which has always put great store by officers leading their men.
It may be true by the time you get to rank of general than you're less likely to be shot than a corporal, but then most RSMs aren't leading bayonet charges either.
If you go in to the army without realising that you will be trained to kill and be indoctrinated with a certain mentality (that you probably have to have a bit to even want to join) then youre much mistaken.
My 17 year old step brother wants to join for the same reason as you Fiend. free university and he`d probably be put up as officer material pretty quickly tbh, but I still hate the idea.
christians wanting to join the army?
didn't your boss tell you to put down your sword?
be interesting to see what some of them have to say for themselves having been killing for the last few years.
What are you talking about?
Our troops aren't protecting the UK. But then, where did I say I was in favour of the war in Iraq? I didn't, and I'm not.
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Youre kidding yourself. Humanity isnt about joining an organisation that starts/joins in wars. Theyre not just ordinary everyday blokes. Theyre trained killers and they are nothing like me.
Theyre hitmen. Dress it up how you like. if the officer in charge told them to kill someone, theyd do it. They have to.
If you cant handle the thought of killing someone then the army isnt really a good idea for you. Itd be stupid to go into that and think, well fingers crossed, hopefully I wont have to kill anyone at all.
Its what its all about. Theyre not a peaceful organisation. Youre thick if you think it is.
Absolutely. They're a lot better than you.
Unless you’re an absolutist pacifist that rejects personal self-defence the armed forces is a form of collective self-defence. Allied troops that fought Nazi Germany were not inhumane. There is nothing inherently inhumane about joining the armed forces unless you do not believe a nation has a right to self-defence.
War is sometimes necessary, or do you think Britain was wrong to fight Nazi Germany? Or the NATO campaign in Kosovo?
No they're not. You don't really have any idea how wars work do you? An Iraqi is rude to a British officer, that officer doesn't then order a soldier to shoot the Iraqi. In WWII officers didn't go around pointing at random Germans and asking soldiers to shoot them...Really what are you on about?
The armed forces isn't some kind of inherent community of warmongers. It's subordinate to elected politicians, it carries out the policies of democratically elected governments. There's all sorts of circumstances the forces are used in; peacekeeping, humanitarian disasters as well as war. And unfortunately the latter is sometimes necessary.
We all know that the armed services are called upon to kill people. Everyone who joins up must be prepared for that possibility. But to suggest that soldiers sign up to do that, or that they have no feeling about having to take a shot is just idiotic.
:thumb: I think that sums it up, about all that needs to be said really.
Agreed.
When you know fuck all about something it's better to keep your mouth shut, then to spout out a load of crap :thumb:
Quite possibly the most moronic rubbish I've seen on this baord.
Actually they are every day blokes. Chances are yu'd meet your average squaddie and be unable to tell him apart from your average eighteen your old. You'd get muddled up between students and subalterns if you saw one in the street.
That's because most of them don't talk judgemental, ill-informed bollocks.
No they're wouldn't. If it is an illegal order, not only do they have the right to refuse, they are under an obligation to refuse.
Well the first sentence is right, but the second is so off the wall its bouncing down the street like a pogo stick. I kept my fingers crossed I didn't have to kill anyone. if the situation demanded it I would have done, but all in all I'd rather be having a drink down the mess than shooting someone dead. Most of the soldiers I knew didn't want to kill people. Those who joined the army because they did want to kill are soon weeded out - the last thing your average infantry battalion wants is a psychotic who just wants to slot someone for fun.
why after some thought, i decided to not join RAF, yeh i'd be just an air traffic control guy, but i'd be aiding planes in blowing up civilians aka collateral
They are trained to kill - deny that?
Why is that senseless drivel?
They are trained to kill, they have to have a certain mentality to want to go into the army in the first place.