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By the scriptwriter.
Seriously though, it's the Masons! Always is... damn them!
If you say that A car is behind one of three doors, then you can work out the probability which door it's behind. If maths described reality, it would just say which door the car is actually behind, because it is very definitely only behind one door, that door is fixed and already a fact.
The only uncertainty is in you and that's what's being measured.
It explais things like the big bang theory and other theoretical maths stuff, all that's being measured is the perception and history of the observer.
So we get - starts off small, grows really fast and then dies out. Which is what people do.
yeh
and its all about what the observer 'sees'
If I am in prison tomorrow it will restrict my movement, but I will still have the free will to choose what sort of person I want to be.
I think Destiny is a load of bull, the same with people who believe in their life having a 'higher purpose'. if one person is 'destined' to meet the love of their life outside a cafe in Covent Garden, set up a business and become sucessful then the same force of 'Destiny' is making children die in developing countries. So does that mean that 'Destiny' favours people in developed nations or is possibly racist? :eek:
Beleive in both Freewill and Determinism? Shush, Hume
Hume was right. We do have free will, but everything IS determined. Nowt is Random. Ever. Everything is caused.
TBH - I don't give a shit. Maybe I am free. But if my every aciton is determined, there isn't a fucklot I can do about it, is there? Hence rendering all debate on this matter POINTLESS.
Maybe you've lived in the London hippy liberal world for too long, genetics and environment had a massive impact on who you are and your choices. Sure you think you can control what you do from now on but your wrexham experinces will always have an influence in your life, I myself came from a small town to the big city...you might think you can be your own person but your life in the town will still have an impact...no shame in it like! :thumb:
Of course my experiences have had an impact on my life, as have yours but it's how you choose to use those experiences to build your character that counts and hat is what I mean by 'freedom'. Whether you want to play victim or survivor for example... Whether you choose to be bitter or happy in life.
Take Rosa Parks for example, her experiences of discrimination, the same as what every other African American was going through at the time shaped who she is. But she decided she'd stand up for herself, she decided who she'd become.
It annoys me when people are really nasty to you and then somebody excuses them by saying "ohhh he's had a hard life". To be fair you can't use that as an excuse althogh I admit there should be more around for young people to do. The trick is education, educating people that they can be who they want to be because a lot don't seem to realise that.
Every human has the potential to be a torturer, Zimbardo proved that. I think every human also has the potential to be compassionate (again, some mental illnesses and so on can change this). It is just claiming some responsibility for our actions and working hard on self-development rather than making excuses all the time.
Yes it sounds harsh, I don't mean that people should not be allowd time to recover or compassion if they've been through traumatising experiences, but realising one day that they have the potential to overcome and get stronger from how they've suffered.
Thing is you react to fictional experiences just as strongly (or for most of you MORE strongly) as real ones. So you can have people who's greatest influence has been reading shakespeare or discovering higher maths.
You all believe in things that aren't real and this shapes your behaviours just as much as though they were.
You can't do this. Think about it.
Why can't you educated people that they can change who they are? Psychologists do it.
You are saying that a person has no potential to change?
Yeah but you don't know her except from reading. Therefore, the point I made that what you read about can have just as much or in fact more effect on you than your own "real life" you just proved.
....badly. You cannot educate someone into becoming something else to fill their own potential because you are making the decision about what they should do, so they are following your ideas about their potential, not theirs.
This is why psychologists and the like are so useless at getting change.
Good lord no. Only that you cannot teach someone how to fufill their potential or even what that potential is. You can provide opportunities, frameworks and ideas and offer suggestions and that's about it.
it's a bit like counselling.
somw councilors start giving their clients the answers to their problems ...this is a bad councilor.
how can someone else fully understand what your prob;lems are and to what degree they may be hindering you\?
a good councilor ...will lead you ...lead you to come out with the info ...and to come out with the answers.
because ...the answers are in your head not the councilors.
Yes you can, you are therefor educating people by showing them how they can grow and what opportunities they have and by giving them advice. It is up to the individual and their free will whether they listen and put the advice in to action and what they gain from it.
Hence free will.
Depends on the counselling model tbh. Person centred (Rogerian or humanistic) tends to be non-directive. Some brief intervention styles are more directive, Motivational Interviewing for example.
Nahh. You are allowing people to educate themselves.
Oddly enough, no. You can manipulate people into changing. You just can't teach them. If it was that simple it would be well known, universally used and totally successful. Fact is people are bloody complicated and it takes clever action to get them out of old habits even when they are motivated, never mind when they are not.
You could of course always prove me wrong by accepting what I write.
its what happened in the past that pre determins what will happen in the future.
in terms of human behaviour, perhaps it is our past experiences that will determine what will happen in the future. the thing is we dont know what will happen. and when we make a choice it is our past that pre determined that we will make that choice when we get to the point in time when we are given the choice. and perhaps the reason why people make different choices, is because different people have different experience in the past.
this philosophy may seem logical, however, in real social life it may not be practical. as what was said earlier, it puts the accountability away from the person. like how we expect our politicians to make policies to save the environment so we wouldnt have to change our habits.
Which is what I mean by choosing who you want to be and having free will, you seem to be missing the point. I didn't see we can do it alone, we always need somebody to help, that is the nature of society. But we are still responsible for who we become.
like i said at the end of the statement. it isnt practical to apply this logic into social life. cos it would proably end up in chaos and anarchy.
we are conditioned by the past to behave a certain way in the future.
:no:
Doesn't work like that. They can't break out of their habits, if they could they wouldn't be habits. If they can imagine what they want to change to, theres no need because they already have done. This is what keeps people stuck for years.
You can get someone out of their habits but then they have to come up with the next bit.
I think you are confusing "you" with "what you do".
No arguments here. (Apart from the usual one about non existence of certain things.)
Don't worry about it. Most of us are predetermined to want to kill or hurt anyone who does that kind of thing. It's our destiny. So, looks like neither the rapist or the baying mob that nail his nuts to the town hall door are responsible.
i belive that if you are able to record EVERY event in the universe/reality at one moment, you can add em all up to come to mathematical conclusion about future events. although it is impossible cos that would need a very large calcultor .
a simple example if there are only three events in the universe/reality in a moment, for example moment A = 1, 2, and 3. if we add am together the result will be 6. therefore we would know that the next event after the moment A, moment B will be 6
and so perhaps this is what destiny is, thus negating free will.
Oh and there is no such thing in the real world as "2", everything is unique, unrepeatable and singular.
im not saying to use maths to measure the universe. its about simple logic that one event will ersult into another which results into another and so on. simple addition. now i thnk you would need to know every single possible factor/event in the universe to come to the right answer. the thing is we dont know everything.
and the number 2 is just an example. its a substitue for the event. but the point is two events combined will result into a new event, which may combine with another event to result another event.
perhpas you can say its like predicting weather. if meteoroligist found away to measure/record/identify, all possible factors that influences weather/climate, we woudl have an accurate way to predict the weather.
Unfortunately, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle precludes it.
ah yes. but the principle is only about the impossbility to measure accurately to objects at the same moment.
In the good old real world things have neither quality the principle relies upon.
Yes, unfortunately you can't do that without being the universe itself.
The only completely accurate model of the universe is the universe.
im not trying to make an accurate model of the universe, nor saying there is or can be an accurate model of the universe.
i think you became confused with the 1+2+3=6 thing. that you saw it as an accurate model of the universe. i think you saw numbers and addition and thought that its suppose to be a mathemetical formula to represent what i was trying to say. the numbers were simply for illustration sake.
what i was trying to say was if you take all events that occurs in a moment, you can probably figure out the future. for example, you can figure out the direction of snooker balls when hit by the cue ball.