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Free Will - you only think you have it
BillieTheBot
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Free will or not free will?
It might be possible that every single actions we do have bee predefined and that what we think we have more tha anything - free will - do not exist...
Full article in the Newscientist.
The Free Will Theorem
So what are you thoughts...
It might be possible that every single actions we do have bee predefined and that what we think we have more tha anything - free will - do not exist...
Underneath the uncertainty of quantum mechanics could lie a deeper reality in which, shockingly, all our actions are predetermined
"WE MUST believe in free will, we have no choice," the novelist Isaac Bashevis Singer once said. He might as well have said, "We must believe in quantum mechanics, we have no choice," if two new studies are anything to go by.
Early last month, a Nobel laureate physicist finished polishing up his theory that a deeper, deterministic reality underlies the apparent uncertainty of quantum mechanics. A week after he announced it, two eminent mathematicians showed that the theory has profound implications beyond physics: abandoning the uncertainty of quantum physics means we must give up the cherished notion that we have free will. The mathematicians believe the physicist is wrong.
Full article in the Newscientist.
The Free Will Theorem
So what are you thoughts...
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Quantum theory is also bullshit. However, we do not have free will, because everything is decided at the unconscious level or awareness.
Do you think we have free will or not?
If so what tell you we really have it?
Why do you have to assume you exist or have free will to get by?
If everything is predefined, it doesn't stop you from doing anything, everything is predefined therefor you will keep going no matter what you think as you have been predefined to do so...
It does make sense, and sums up how I feel about the topic.
I personally believe that I have free will because it's the way I want to look at my life and the decisions and choices I've made, and also because I'm pretty skeptical of the murmurings of "destiny" and "fate". Of course, I'm aware that free will could be a total crock, but like you said I'm not going to get anything else done if I sit around pondering it
some may say that i have free will cos i make decision in my life, such as caree path, who to wed, etc. however, it could be that, we do not simply make choices because it is the choice we want. every decision we make, wether major (eg career) or minor (eg clothes) may be directly influenced by, if you may, the context of our life or the moment.
a simple example. welschy chooses to become a farmer. why? cos welschy likes sheep. so you can say that welschy's occupational choice is determined by his experience or the past.
perhaps it is not us that makes the decision for us but our experience and environment, including interactions of particles. if this is so, perhaps the question is, is this free will?
:banghead:
however, in the eyes of society that is not correct and you will be dealt with accordingky.
a simple example. lets say there are two situations where the wife was fucked by the brother. now one husband shoots the brother while the other didnt. the shooter perhaps murdered the borther because thw husband had violent tendency. or the tolerance level isnt as high as the non-shooter.
so arguably its these factors that led to the event, not the decision per se
But I do think it is important for us to think we have free will on an everyday level.
How do you know for sure tho?
Correct!
Free will, no free will, who cares!
Granted we always feel like we've been held back probably because we compare ourselves so much to other people and their situations... And in the 'physical world' maybe you won't be the next Einstein or Mozart, but it doesn't mean you don't have control over your own actions.
I chose to go to the shop because I wanted to buy something. I dismissed the option of not buying it because I'm used to buying stuff that I think I need. This is because of what has happened in the past.
You can follow down this path. Making a choice doesn't mean you have free will; if you say it does you probably haven't understood what those who say you might not have it meant.
Besides all that, however... what does it matter if stuff are predetermined or not? As far as we know, it's the same either way. We do what we do because we think is right, and that choice possibly being predetermined doesn't make the slightest difference.
I ain't free, Biatch.
You're joking right?
Santa Claus.
Agree. There's a difference between only ever being able to take one road and there only ever being one road to take.