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Really, why?
It's not like I have much choice now, is it?
Ok. You've missed genocide, theft, rape, brainwashing, kidnap and lies off the list but lets assume you are right. Why do I need the police? I have never used them, ever. The only people I know who have used them have had no or very little satisfaction from the experience.
Why are these things the exact reverse of voluntary trade, btw? I don't have to pay asda a few grand a year on the off chance I get some shopping there, why are these things different?
The NHS you are going to say exists because everyone recognises that it's the best way. If everyone really thinks that, then there is no reason to use violence, is there?
"Free education"? It's not free and it's barely education. It's more or less brainwashing and a lot of it is flat out child abuse. A ten year assault on your ability to reason and installation of nonsense like countries should horrify you beyond belief.
I have worked in the bar trade. See how long you will last if you started to sell in half litres, or 1.5 pints and advertised it over the door. "Cocaine happy hour" would be a winner, wouldn't it?
Again you have made the assumption that "wrong measures" is anything under what the government says must be served! The raids don't happen because people are so cowed they don't even think of doing anything but what the law says.
Complete capitulation to violence to ward it off doesn't mean there is no violence. If you see violence in other places, it's because one gang hasn't got total control yet and they are still fighting. The statist argument is that one gang has won and we should all do what it says now it has monopolised force.
If we didn't have driving licenses our roads would not be so safe, passports are needed for identification. It is not about violence. We do not live in a perfect world where everybody is honest and nobody lies...
Billy and Johnny both steal. Billy steals more than Johnny, therefore Johnny is a better person to be stolen from than Billy. He's still a thief.
"Working together"? So you can refuse, right?
Oh, and what country?
YES or NO
I have not had a lot of satisfaction with the police, but I would rather know that if I pay a little more tax then I will be at least a little bit safer. What about CCTV? Unless you have been in the position of being voilently attacked, or been very hard up, unless you or somebody you love has been injured to the point of needing hospital treatment that it is harder to appreciate where your taxes go.
I am happy... If it weren't for the NHS I wouldn't be walking, or at least would be on crutches. If it weren't for benefits I wouldn't have eaten as a child, if it weren't for the taxes we pay the streets would not be safe...
So unless your parents are loaded, you've neer been hungry, you can afford private health care, you have a private bodyguard ect then taxes have probably impacted your life positively somehow.
The legalisation of drugs is another issue altogether.
The group of armed people most likely to break my (or your) door down and take stuff are the police, ffs!
Why don't most people have a gun in the house to kill intruders? The police took them all, so now there are (generally) only two groups of people armed, that is the police/army and the criminals. The only people who need weapons for self defense do not have them and the only people who use weapons to steal have them all.
Nope. Taxes, because they are enforced burdens are ONLY negative. There can be no benefits from taxation. Ever.
No it isn't. There is only one problem and that is the violent domination of people under the guise of legitimacy.
To use an extreme example say you get a speeding fine, if you refuse to pay you go to court. If you refuse court the bailiffs come in, if you resist them they'll be supported by the police, if you shoot at the police, they'll call in armed police. If you and your neighbours group together and decide to open fire on the police with RPGs and heavy machine-guns eventually the armed forces will be go in.
But the point is that virtually all people accept the legitimacy of the state (in reality, if not always in theory) and pay the fine, so the state doesn't have to resort to violence.
But being born and brought up in Northern Ireland (where people killed and were killed for agreeing or disagreeing with the legitimacy of the state) and then having served in Bosnia (which made Northern Ireland seem like a Sunday School picnic) I think Klintock and Seeker should get down on their knees and Thank God that people do accept the legitimacy of the state - because I can tell you the alternative is a fuck of a lot worse.
The problem with those situations was that those in the state didn't just fuck off when they first found out they weren't wanted. Or do you think that someone who has your best interests at heart will use a gun on you?
The fact that they will kill for control should tell you all you need to know about them and why they need to be ignored whenever possible.
People accept the legitimacy of the state for a very simple reason - they were educated in state schools. The fact that I get such incredulity when I merely mention that countries are imaginary for example is a good indicator of the level of brainwashing. It also reveals the lie that "everyone" wants the same things - given that they were all taught the same nonsense it's not much of a surprise.
Nah. The problem in those places was a fight between statists for control. The alternative is to stop the control, not have only one set of controllers.
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What an odd little creature you are.
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You really have no idea do you?
Size matters in turloughtown ?
I`m glad you would not be prepared to kill in order to build a road.Welcome aboard.Your previous post implied differently.
I applaud your logic in the "extreme" example but not your conclusion. The example isn`t as extreme as you think. I have personal knowledge of someone who didn`t actually say "No" but meekly refused to say "Yes please".That person bailed out before the guns were drawn because they valued their life and family (yes, they were threatened too !) more than their property. The violent threats came from men/women claiming to represent the "U.K."
Well every thread in P+D nowadays seems to turn into klintock saying "there's no such thing as countries" and going completely off topic.
I'm quite concerned at the amount of seats the BNP has won. Thankfully none in Wolverhampton so I don't have to deal with any, although I do have a delightful "freedom" councillor (some sort of offshoot of the BNP).
As it applies to ALL the candidates, I would be interested to hear how you think it isn't relevent.
Politics is the violent/faudulent domination of most by a few. This is the only issue. Glad to see your learning the words, join in on the chorus.
Ok. The "BNP" is a fictional entity made by a small group of people to acquire legitimacy for theior violent domination of you and yours through the violence of the cult known as the "state".
As "britain" "national" and in fact " party" are entirely fictional entities, only believed in by the mad or the severely dim, then we have nothing different than any other alleged "group". If you have some facts to support any assertion that any of those things actually exist, great. If you don't you can drop the idea that there is any such thing as the BNP and we can focus on the only real issue of politics, that of using fiction and your inability to think to gain legitimacy for your slavery to the mad.
Theres no such thing as the BNP.
Do try and keep up.
oh dear. Get a grip. This is a website aimed at people aged 16-25. The P +D used to be a forum where interesting discussions took place.
I don't know how old you are, or what your aim is, but I feel that you put off a lot of people from posting in here.
Whether or not England, or the BNP exists or not, is not the point. Why don't you just start your own thread called "nothing exists" and you can go off and pontificate there by yourself instead of ruining all the other threads!
I like a good debate as much as the next bloke. Thing is, we have to know what we are actually talking about, and most people obviously don't.
Once we have defined what is going on, we can talk about it. Until we do, there is no debate, just reforming of nonsense.
However, you have a point. Everyone knows the words by now (and probably recognises the veracity of the position as little as they like it) and as Jim V says expecting different results from the same arguments is crazy in itself.
That being the case, I'll see you lot around sometime.
Normal service will now continue.
Cheers, it's been fun.
There are some who throw emotional tantrums at the thought of the BNP having power over them.
I`m quite interested as to why this discrimination has to specifically apply to the BNP.
If you worship the religion of "democracy" surely you should rejoice and love your masters WHOEVER they may be. Whining because you don`t like the winner is being a bad loser. If you are really concerned, surely the best tactic is DON`T PLAY THE GAME ?
Doubled their seats, the BNP. More evidence this country is inhabited by morons who will get exactly what they deserve, one day. I love this decade.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. We have been told for so long now that's what would happen... :chin:
Oh well. That's freedom of speech for you.
As for the BNP local elections - stand up the people of Barking and Dagenham. You have nailed our colours to the mast. Shame on you.
It is amazing though that 60% of people in certain areas (i have no idea what areas they are though) agree with the BNP policies, until they hear they are BNP policies then they change their opinion.
What is my issue with the BNP?
I support multiculturalism... Furthermore, I am glad that there are Polish, Sri Lankans (ect ect) working in this country, we need these people. Where I am from we have Polish people working for minimum wage in jobs where a British person would get paid around £10. If they all disappeared then the factories, call centres and so on (in my opinion) would up and move because they can get cheaper labour in other countries. You have to admit a lot of British people won't work menial monotonous jobs for minimum wage. The nature of Capitalism is to get the cheapest and most efficient labour possible.
I believe we have a moral responsibility to continue giving foreign aid to other countries.
To be fair, I don't want my brother to be forced in to national service, or if I had one, a son...
The BNP are anti-gay... I like being able to date who I like... I do not want to see the return of Section 28.
Aaaaand so on.
The election of BNP councillors benefits no one. This, however, is part of their strategy. What the BNP aims to do is get more and more representation on the political landscape until they eventually start fielding MPs for the House of Commons. What we must all aim to do is stop them, by not voting for them, and to ask of those who did - why? Did they vote BNP in the hope it would make a difference? If anything, it could make things even worse. Will Labour/Tory/LibDem councillors want to work with members from such an evil organisation?