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Plane crash in New York
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An aroplane has crashed in the suberbs of New York there where 250+ on board, and it crashed in to a residential area. Its too early to speculate on causes. But one of the engines may have 'fallen off.' It is another tragic waste of life <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif">
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Could be terrorists again, may be human error, or something as stupid as a bird flying into the plane.
Tragic though.
Just feel very sorry for the families of the dead.
Sabotage or very shoddy maintenance, it's got to be.
Nice to see that not every 'accident' is instantly re-labelled 'terrorist attack,' though. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
i still maintain it was just a freak accident. eyewitnessess were saying that the wing and engine appears to fall of just b4 impact.
who knows. we'll just have to wait and see. more happy news for the world tho.
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
In the morning paper I read that although the Airbus is a plane with a good safety record, the particular engines this one was using have had repeated safety warnings from their manufacturer, General Electric. It seems that said warnings were ignored by UK/USA transport authorities.
I'll keep an open mind on this one.
Sounds like someone in maintainance is responsible.
the A3xx series are very safe planes - all the crashes have been because of pilot error, and not defects in the plane.
just don't ask wether an interface that leads to so many errors amongst highly trained people is a defect.
What's that supposed to mean? Of course there are accidents. You wanna expand on that a bit?
If you don't plan something, it can't go wrong
They say it was down to turbulence now....The plane took off 2 mins and 47 seconds after the preceeding plane...The law says they must take off at least 2 mins after the previous plane...This plane took off well within legal limits...If a plane can crash from turbulence from a plane that took off 2.47 mins before then why the hell hasnt it happened a dozen times before?
The whole thing stinks..Theres more to this story.
Run by two ex-Mossad agents, with good intelligence. An extract from their November 15 update:
Intereeesting, no?
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
As for the nukes, just hearsay, stop scareing people. In the words of my father,"Sheep are stupid and don't think logically" the lie was required.
Thanatos-jr
If a bird strike brought down a plane everytime it happened then our airports would be littered by bodies and bits of planes. Its a relatively common occurance, especially at JFK as whowhere said.
I still think theres more to it than we are being told.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
a well placed terrorist could easily manipulate the engines, but...
but who knows.
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
Try and think of the death of someone in any circumstance - car crash, plane crash, drowning, fire ..... somehting contributed to that happening, something beyond the control of the individual but caused by another person, or something caused by their own actions.
Perhaps a building falls down ... why? structurally unsound,who built it - what did they do wrong in the construction.
What I am trying to say is that there's a reason for all "accidents". ie the plane that crashed - it didn't just fall out of the sky, perhaps it was because of pilot error, perhaps it was because it wasn't built properly, perhaps its because no one noticed it wasn't air worthy...not an accident but the fault of someone down the line!
There are no accidents - plain and true.
Anything that is refered to as an accident, has a reason for happening. If I get knocked off my bike tonight on the way home, it'll probably be down to Human error - not accident.
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What's your point?
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I was just wondering why someone said perhaps it was an accident - there are no accidents - that's my point. That was it...that's all.
Do I need to explain more?
All evil needs to thrive is for good men to sit back and do nothing
You mean that there is always someone to blame...someone who can be sued..
To much of an US culture slipping in there byny. Accidents do happen - an accident is a mishap. Whilst there may be a cause, it doesn't mean that there is fault.
Accident - An occurrence, incident, event - anything that happens without foresight or expectation; an unusual event, which proceeds from some unknown cause, or is an unusual effect off a known cause.
However - I would say that it is pretty much known that if a car is driven at speed toward another vehicle then the other smaller slower vehicle will come off worse...therefore it's hardly an unknown cause or unusual event. Anyway whatever - this board is probably not supposed to be used for endless discussions about the word accident!
i see your point about there being no accidents... but isnt the common definition of an accident in people's minds something that happens unexpectedly, without intent ?
it might not be unexpected or unusual for the slower car to come off worse in this situation... but the fast driver probably isnt intending to crash into other cars and cause damage - accident?
in this circumstance... terrorist, sabotage, etc.... not an accident. human/mechanical error, circs beyond anyone's control, whatever = accident. no?