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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Just curious here, but why do Islamic women have to cover themselves up completely, except for a very small opening for them to see out of???????? Why do Islamic men not have to do this????? I eagerly await an informed response.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think its considered immoral because the only person who is meant to see a womans body is her husband. if another man sees her she is considered unclean, i think, and so in public she has to stay covered. Her body is the property of her husband and there have been cases where woman have shown what was thought too much they have been stoned to death. I think in that culture men are still thought to be superior to women. This is just what i think, dont quote me on it!!! X.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Men are obliged to cover themselves from waist to knee; women from neck to ankle.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I lived in Turkey with my girlfriend for 7 months and she was absolutely persecuted by the Turkish men, because she had blonde hair and was white. She dressed sensibly (i.e long sleeves and no low cut tops etc) but it was a nightmare wherever we travelled as the men constantly called out seemingly lude comments and made disgusting noises with their tongues. This lasted for 7 months, not 2 weeks.

    I dont know about anyone else here, but I think ALL living things are equal and not just men and women. Islam cant even treat the females of our own race as equal.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    islam practices female circumsision in various ways, depending upon the particular branch they are coming from...which often included exciseing the clitoris...islamic women are about as exciting as a hole in a board in my personal opinion because of this practice. There is a name for this but I can't remember it...can't imagine puting a daughter of mine through such a horror!

    I am informed by a good friend that is a Leabonise Palestinian and Catholic that the practice is not quite as universal as it once was but nonetheless still practiced...in US some efforts have been made to make it illegal under the 'child abuse' laws, but it goes on still.

    At my bank I jokenly suggested to our Iranian teller (a lovely and sweet young lady) that she get one of the 'new' highpaying jobs being offered by FBI for citizens who speak both english and Pharsi...her comment was that she really didn't want to be put on any black list!

    Diesel

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Diesel .... About as interesting as a hole in a board!!!!!!!! You look at women as just an object then? Suppose you must look at your daughter in that way too?
    Just because a woman has undergone female circucision does not mean that she loses her personality and charachter too!
    Women are often forced to have this operation while young, it is supposed to stop them 'enjoying' sex as there is no sexual stimulation.
    However....in the UK an Islamic woman would not be stoned for refusing to wear the Veil. In Afghanistan a woman cam be killed for riding a bicycle. There are women trapped in a country, trapped by their rulers who have not been elected, it is not their fault an we should be helping them! Islamic women in this country make a choice to wear their veils etc and we should not look down upon them for making that choice.!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    Diesel .... About as interesting as a hole in a board!!!!!!!! You look at women as just an object then? Suppose you must look at your daughter in that way too?
    Just because a woman has undergone female circucision does not mean that she loses her personality and charachter too!
    Women are often forced to have this operation while young, it is supposed to stop them 'enjoying' sex as there is no sexual stimulation.
    However....in the UK an Islamic woman would not be stoned for refusing to wear the Veil. In Afghanistan a woman cam be killed for riding a bicycle. There are women trapped in a country, trapped by their rulers who have not been elected, it is not their fault an we should be helping them! Islamic women in this country make a choice to wear their veils etc and we should not look down upon them for making that choice.!

    You are a newbie, so I'll be gentle...

    What's your problem. There are NO theads here which support either the practise of making women cover up or pro-female circumcision.

    I suggest you read them again, and then apologise. Diesel actually reports something he heard and says that he wouldn't put a daughter of his through that ordeal - I'd say that was a fairly negative view of the act, wouldn't you?

    Who are we to judge Muslim religion or culture, It is precisely that act which creates the kind of reaction seen in NY last week. In India they would be SERIOUSLY offended by you eating a beef sandwich - does that mean that we are wrong to eat beef, or that they are wrong to believe that the cow is sacred?

    I personally agree that equaly rights is a problem for Muslim women, but that is based on a western upbringing, it doesn't mean that my view is the correct one.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    I personally agree that equaly rights is a problem for Muslim women, but that is based on a western upbringing, it doesn't mean that my view is the correct one.

    MoK, I'd put on the ol' flak jacket before Doubro flames you for that. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who are we to judge Muslim religion or culture, It is precisely that act which creates the kind of reaction seen in NY last week


    What a responce of real PC idiot!
    You do not believe that some cultures are more functional, plainly speaking SUPERIOR to others?
    You would not condemn human sacrifices, human hearts cut out for fun of it in Mayan culture?
    You would not condemn cannibalism in some tribes of Pacific?
    Hell, no, "who are we to judge".

    I know you are going to start blabing about difference in cultures, moral standarts and customs.
    So, civilization of white European men is not superior to all others? Civilization that gave world just about everything you see around you.

    Russian gun nut
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So what are the indicators of a 'better' society then? What makes you so sure that western culture is the best? We judge by our own upbringing, there is NO definitive 'best'.

    The arrogance way that the US portrays itself as having the best culture, the most free society etc antagonises people. I am not being an apologist for the attack, in fact if you read some of my other posts you will see that I am behind the US/UK approach to the crisis. What I am suggesting is that rather than planting the blame SOLELY on the fundalmental fanatics who carried out the attack, the US should review its own actions. After all, who trained these people? Who is trying to 'westernise' these cultures? Be aware that the US isn't the perfect socity you proclaim it to be.

    You refer to human sacrifice, I draw your attention to electrocution of criminals. One suited the Mayan society, the other suits yours. I personally find both of them offensive. I am happy to tell you that and I am aware that the consequences of my actions may be that you reply with some vitriolic text of your own. Do I blame YOU and only you for that? No, I accept that my comments will have prompted your response. That isn't PC, it's just responsible.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I know we do cover our self ( women) because if women show her body it will make men want her and if they went her they will make bad thing with her and that will cause many disease . The other reason that our men are very gealous they don’t like to see women show her beauty and that will make the women fell more womanly. There are a man who said “ if the fly’s play around the food no one will like and eat it but if it cover it will be delicious. It the same in the women if she don’t meet anybody she will be like pearls .
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We judge by our own upbringing, there is NO definitive 'best'.
    You refer to human sacrifice, I draw your attention to electrocution of criminals. One suited the Mayan society, the other suits yours.

    "Criminals" is key word, you do not want to protect your society from them? Separate them from society forever. Holding them in cage for rest of the life is more "humane"? If you do neither your utopian society will seaze to exist.
    Compare mass murder of innocent people to frying murderer? How sick and screwedup your mind must be!
    Jew killed by Nazi = Nazi executed for murder? Same thing? Men you are sick f...?

    "No definitive "best"" typical blabbing of braidead.

    Russian gun nut
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Amon, it's called a condom, they stop diesease from spreading when you have sex with someone.

    I don't know about the fly analogy, cause if you can't see it how do you know what your going to get?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BBH:
    I don't know about the fly analogy, cause if you can't see it how do you know what your going to get?

    can't really believe u said that and i hope u know what a stupid comment that is.

    do u really have to get a girl dressed as a slut to know what "you're going to get"?

    try getting to know the girl first and that should give you some kind of inclination.

    his argument was a perfectly valid one. it makes sense. it's pretty obvious what kind of shape the woman is, no matter what she's wearing, if that was what you were trying to put across.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    men want her and if they went her they will make bad thing with her and that will cause many disease .

    I assume this practice came into being back when Islam first started? I happen to believe that men have changed since the 7th century. I do have sex with every girl I see in a short skirt, same goes for almost every man here in the UK.

    I found your link very interesting..So skin cancer is the reason you are fully covered? By the way, what is the name for the clothing worn to cover up women? Im never sure of the correct name.

    I actually have no problem with your beliefs on this one. I prefer girls who dont walk round dressed like a slut, I prefer girls who dont sleep with every man they meet...The difference between us however, is that the women here have that choice whereas those in Afghanistan will be killed if they make that choice.



    "An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Volk:
    We judge by our own upbringing, there is NO definitive 'best'.
    You refer to human sacrifice, I draw your attention to electrocution of criminals. One suited the Mayan society, the other suits yours.

    "Criminals" is key word, you do not want to protect your society from them? Separate them from society forever. Holding them in cage for rest of the life is more "humane"? If you do neither your utopian society will seaze to exist.
    Compare mass murder of innocent people to frying murderer? How sick and screwedup your mind must be!
    Jew killed by Nazi = Nazi executed for murder? Same thing? Men you are sick f...?

    "No definitive "best"" typical blabbing of braidead.


    I used them as an example of how two cultures think differently. They are not equal acts - I know that. As you say one is an act of 'justice' the other was an act of worship.

    The problem with you Yanks (as a generalisation) is that you expect everyone to agree with you, and believe what you believe. Sorry, but that will NEVER happen. The arrogance in your stance that what you say is right and what everyone else says is wrong, contributes to the reason why many in the world dislike you - and contributes in the terrorist attacks. Until you realise that you cannot win the war on terrorism.

    NB I am aware that this rule applies to the UK too, we just aren't quite as arrogant as the US.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am not a Yank dummy, can you even read? I am Russian.

    Who made you god all over sudden to tell what will and what will not ever happen?
    ....and out of all people you are the one who calls me ignorant?!?!?!

    Russian gun nut
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I simply CANNOT believe anyone who can agree with why muslim women have to cover up. Talk about a human rights issue or what. Why the hell should a woman have to cover up through fear of a muslim man lusting after her. Its not the womans problem AT ALL, and boils down to the mans lack of ability to restrain himself. It is no different from having to keep a bull in a seperate field to the cows.

    One thing that seperates us from other animals is a our ability (in general) to distance yourself from sexual desire, unlike a bull in the field who cannot. I lived in Turkey for a considerable amount with my girlfiend, 10 years ago. She covered up at all times but the men didnt exercise any restraint in coming on to her in the most disgusting ways possible.

    Its about HUMAN rights and religion or culture has NO part to play in that.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by johnny:
    Its about HUMAN rights and religion or culture has NO part to play in that.

    Well, except insofar as they're all essentailly arbitrary and chosen (if at all) to serve certain agenda.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actually what I was trying to say was "If they are completely covered up than you can't even tell if she has a complete set of teeth. You don't know what color hair she has, or anything about her body. I wasn't saying she had to dress like a slut, but I'd at least like to know what she looks like before I marry her"
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok, its about equality. What go's for men should go for women. I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to work out that women have far less 'rights' than men according to most religions, particularly Islam.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    dont judge other cultures by your own standards

    it seems outrageous to us that women should be forced to cover themselves to prevent them being seen as sexual objects, to stop adultery (a terrible sin within Islam)

    to those who follow the muslim faith the strip shows and porn movies of the west are deeply, deeply shocking and offensive to the very core of their faith

    i hold no political or cultural affiliations, but who said the western way of thinking was the only way of thinking?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Volk:
    I am not a Yank dummy, can you even read? I am Russian.


    OK so you are a RUSSIAN dummy, who just happens to be based in the US.
    Originally posted by SkaPunkSkanker
    i hold no political or cultural affiliations, but who said the western way of thinking was the only way of thinking?

    Thanks. For a while there I thought I was the only person who understood that, even though other 'users' disgreed with me. They didn't seem to understand that this proved the point I was trying to make. We don't all think aike, therefore we have differing expectations, reactions etc and only the supremely arrogant believe that theirs is the ONLY way to live.

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