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A question on Islam
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Just curious here, but why do Islamic women have to cover themselves up completely, except for a very small opening for them to see out of???????? Why do Islamic men not have to do this????? I eagerly await an informed response.
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I dont know about anyone else here, but I think ALL living things are equal and not just men and women. Islam cant even treat the females of our own race as equal.
I am informed by a good friend that is a Leabonise Palestinian and Catholic that the practice is not quite as universal as it once was but nonetheless still practiced...in US some efforts have been made to make it illegal under the 'child abuse' laws, but it goes on still.
At my bank I jokenly suggested to our Iranian teller (a lovely and sweet young lady) that she get one of the 'new' highpaying jobs being offered by FBI for citizens who speak both english and Pharsi...her comment was that she really didn't want to be put on any black list!
Diesel
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Just because a woman has undergone female circucision does not mean that she loses her personality and charachter too!
Women are often forced to have this operation while young, it is supposed to stop them 'enjoying' sex as there is no sexual stimulation.
However....in the UK an Islamic woman would not be stoned for refusing to wear the Veil. In Afghanistan a woman cam be killed for riding a bicycle. There are women trapped in a country, trapped by their rulers who have not been elected, it is not their fault an we should be helping them! Islamic women in this country make a choice to wear their veils etc and we should not look down upon them for making that choice.!
You are a newbie, so I'll be gentle...
What's your problem. There are NO theads here which support either the practise of making women cover up or pro-female circumcision.
I suggest you read them again, and then apologise. Diesel actually reports something he heard and says that he wouldn't put a daughter of his through that ordeal - I'd say that was a fairly negative view of the act, wouldn't you?
Who are we to judge Muslim religion or culture, It is precisely that act which creates the kind of reaction seen in NY last week. In India they would be SERIOUSLY offended by you eating a beef sandwich - does that mean that we are wrong to eat beef, or that they are wrong to believe that the cow is sacred?
I personally agree that equaly rights is a problem for Muslim women, but that is based on a western upbringing, it doesn't mean that my view is the correct one.
MoK, I'd put on the ol' flak jacket before Doubro flames you for that. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">
What a responce of real PC idiot!
You do not believe that some cultures are more functional, plainly speaking SUPERIOR to others?
You would not condemn human sacrifices, human hearts cut out for fun of it in Mayan culture?
You would not condemn cannibalism in some tribes of Pacific?
Hell, no, "who are we to judge".
I know you are going to start blabing about difference in cultures, moral standarts and customs.
So, civilization of white European men is not superior to all others? Civilization that gave world just about everything you see around you.
Russian gun nut
The arrogance way that the US portrays itself as having the best culture, the most free society etc antagonises people. I am not being an apologist for the attack, in fact if you read some of my other posts you will see that I am behind the US/UK approach to the crisis. What I am suggesting is that rather than planting the blame SOLELY on the fundalmental fanatics who carried out the attack, the US should review its own actions. After all, who trained these people? Who is trying to 'westernise' these cultures? Be aware that the US isn't the perfect socity you proclaim it to be.
You refer to human sacrifice, I draw your attention to electrocution of criminals. One suited the Mayan society, the other suits yours. I personally find both of them offensive. I am happy to tell you that and I am aware that the consequences of my actions may be that you reply with some vitriolic text of your own. Do I blame YOU and only you for that? No, I accept that my comments will have prompted your response. That isn't PC, it's just responsible.
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You refer to human sacrifice, I draw your attention to electrocution of criminals. One suited the Mayan society, the other suits yours.
"Criminals" is key word, you do not want to protect your society from them? Separate them from society forever. Holding them in cage for rest of the life is more "humane"? If you do neither your utopian society will seaze to exist.
Compare mass murder of innocent people to frying murderer? How sick and screwedup your mind must be!
Jew killed by Nazi = Nazi executed for murder? Same thing? Men you are sick f...?
"No definitive "best"" typical blabbing of braidead.
Russian gun nut
I don't know about the fly analogy, cause if you can't see it how do you know what your going to get?
can't really believe u said that and i hope u know what a stupid comment that is.
do u really have to get a girl dressed as a slut to know what "you're going to get"?
try getting to know the girl first and that should give you some kind of inclination.
his argument was a perfectly valid one. it makes sense. it's pretty obvious what kind of shape the woman is, no matter what she's wearing, if that was what you were trying to put across.
I assume this practice came into being back when Islam first started? I happen to believe that men have changed since the 7th century. I do have sex with every girl I see in a short skirt, same goes for almost every man here in the UK.
I found your link very interesting..So skin cancer is the reason you are fully covered? By the way, what is the name for the clothing worn to cover up women? Im never sure of the correct name.
I actually have no problem with your beliefs on this one. I prefer girls who dont walk round dressed like a slut, I prefer girls who dont sleep with every man they meet...The difference between us however, is that the women here have that choice whereas those in Afghanistan will be killed if they make that choice.
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
I used them as an example of how two cultures think differently. They are not equal acts - I know that. As you say one is an act of 'justice' the other was an act of worship.
The problem with you Yanks (as a generalisation) is that you expect everyone to agree with you, and believe what you believe. Sorry, but that will NEVER happen. The arrogance in your stance that what you say is right and what everyone else says is wrong, contributes to the reason why many in the world dislike you - and contributes in the terrorist attacks. Until you realise that you cannot win the war on terrorism.
NB I am aware that this rule applies to the UK too, we just aren't quite as arrogant as the US.
Who made you god all over sudden to tell what will and what will not ever happen?
....and out of all people you are the one who calls me ignorant?!?!?!
Russian gun nut
One thing that seperates us from other animals is a our ability (in general) to distance yourself from sexual desire, unlike a bull in the field who cannot. I lived in Turkey for a considerable amount with my girlfiend, 10 years ago. She covered up at all times but the men didnt exercise any restraint in coming on to her in the most disgusting ways possible.
Its about HUMAN rights and religion or culture has NO part to play in that.
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Well, except insofar as they're all essentailly arbitrary and chosen (if at all) to serve certain agenda.
it seems outrageous to us that women should be forced to cover themselves to prevent them being seen as sexual objects, to stop adultery (a terrible sin within Islam)
to those who follow the muslim faith the strip shows and porn movies of the west are deeply, deeply shocking and offensive to the very core of their faith
i hold no political or cultural affiliations, but who said the western way of thinking was the only way of thinking?
OK so you are a RUSSIAN dummy, who just happens to be based in the US.
Thanks. For a while there I thought I was the only person who understood that, even though other 'users' disgreed with me. They didn't seem to understand that this proved the point I was trying to make. We don't all think aike, therefore we have differing expectations, reactions etc and only the supremely arrogant believe that theirs is the ONLY way to live.