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you know me for posting against creationism in science

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i agree with that, but teaching children anything without putting forward alternative schools of thought will do that. shouldn't we be teaching children how to think, not what to think?

    it's a school of thought, but more in the realms of philosophy, as theres no way of showing it EVER, due to the nature of their argument

    it's like teaching the 'what is the meaning of life?' when that sort of debate is best left to philosophy


    there is contested theories, most are too complicated, and there is only a debate because it's only a few small groups working on it, and thus they all think they're right, when most foten it lands up they're all right in some respects :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Creation theory doesn't use scientific process. It can't be proven or disproven. It can't be measured. You can't do experiments with it. It may be just as valid as a theory as science, but since the purpose of science classes is to teach students scientific processes, there's no use in teaching it in science.

    they're not though, they're teaching it as a point of controversy in science. like when the church tried to shut up everybody who didnt agree with galen. i think its important to know about the way different ideas and developed in science just as well as the ideas themselves. othewise why would they tell you who discovered whatever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    all they need to say on that score is

    "back in the day, people belived the literal bible version of the beginnings of life, as being the world created in 7 days and anainla dand humans were placed on the earth, in thee same stasis as they are today, then Charles Darwin proved his theory of evoltuion and this is the scienticificaly accepted theory of life today, now onto what evolution means and is about....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    isnt creationism more philosophical though?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    exactly. It shouldnt be in science but religion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    all they need to say on that score is

    "back in the day, people belived the literal bible version of the beginnings of life, as being the world created in 7 days and anainla dand humans were placed on the earth, in thee same stasis as they are today, then Charles Darwin proved his theory of evoltuion and this is the scienticificaly accepted theory of life today, now onto what evolution means and is about....


    evolution isnt 'proven' as per such, it's just a highly usable theory that actually works to a large extent, obviously it isnt the whole picture - as for example some creatures lives in synbiotic relationships but evolution as a general idea does work and make sense also (which is rare)

    and the ocr curriculum says what you said anyway i.e it provides a context from where these ideas came and why he was initially discredited
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    In science, you teach science is my point. Evolution is science, even if you don't include information about the begining of it all.

    Missing out the most important part then?

    Evolution is the result of something, not the cause.

    As for the maths connection which placebo mentioned - maths only works because we all believe it does. Who says that one plus one equals two?

    Prove it.[/klintock]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Missing out the most important part then?

    Evolution is the result of something, not the cause.

    As for the maths connection which placebo mentioned - maths only works because we all believe it does. Who says that one plus one equals two?

    Prove it.[/klintock]


    lol maths works, its a construct but its one that improves modelling of scenarios and can be employed to fantastic use

    it's not real as per such, none of the chemistry i learn looks like the pictures i squiggle, however it used to for the purpose of getting relationship and thus being able to predict

    science in itself is a method tuhs you cannot teach religious stuff in science classes, leave that to philosophy etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But science is still only a philsophy. It just offer the opportunity to observe which creationism doesn't and it's that which is the real difference here.

    Just because if you add chemical a to chemical b and get reaction c isn't just science. There is a reason why they interract in such a way and science cannot explain that away on it's own. Design may have a part to play/

    BTW On the subject of ,aths - one plus one doesn't necessarily equal two either. You have to ask one what? :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Science is just the most useful model we have come up with for measuring and utilising the material world.

    It's value is in it's usefulness.

    Creationism is quite useless as a testable theory. Without a test it's assumed to not be anything approaching fact.

    Proper science seeks to predict the future based on a whole boatload of experimentation, and a willingness to change your mind at the first whiff of new evidence.

    What can you predict with creationism?

    So it's a theory you cannot subject to the scientific process, and therefore it's no more a part of science than wondering how fast unicorns can travel.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Science is just the most useful model we have come up with for measuring and utilising the material world.

    It's value is in it's usefulness.

    Creationism is quite useless as a testable theory. Without a test it's assumed to not be anything approaching fact.

    Proper science seeks to predict the future based on a whole boatload of experimentation, and a willingness to change your mind at the first whiff of new evidence.

    What can you predict with creationism?

    So it's a theory you cannot subject to the scientific process, and therefore it's no more a part of science than wondering how fast unicorns can travel.


    exactamundo
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