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new age communism!

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
all we need is a collective...lets build a cell of like minded people to start a new political party....."the western commy party",perhaps....we'll all donate to the "common good " bank account,with a view to overthrowing democracy...who's with me?.......(manifesto to follow,by you).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bit vague and don't really see what your proposals have got to do with communism...but fuck it I'm in :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    for the mother land!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Boring! Who would lead this "collective" of yours? Who would have all th epower to control it? Who would determine its policies? How would it take over the current system and maintain order, law enforcement, keep the peace, feed the people, provide insentives?

    No, it is a totalitarian dictatorship led by me or nothing!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    all we need is a collective...lets build a cell of like minded people to start a new political party....."the western commy party",perhaps....we'll all donate to the "common good " bank account,with a view to overthrowing democracy...who's with me?.......(manifesto to follow,by you).
    you can keep your dirty mits out of my bank account! :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've set up an off-shore bank account for this very purpose - donations welcome now, lets start the revolution this side of Easter, then its chocolate bunnies for all!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you can keep your dirty mits out of my bank account! :D

    I was thinking the same thing

    Capitalism all the way.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    Boring! Who would lead this "collective" of yours? Who would have all th epower to control it? Who would determine its policies? How would it take over the current system and maintain order, law enforcement, keep the peace, feed the people, provide insentives?

    No, it is a totalitarian dictatorship led by me or nothing!
    well,there will be no leaders as such ,just people that enforce the decision's of the "collective".every policy will be made by the collective on a majority vote basis.the only suggestions considered to be made into policy,will be the ones that are for the good of the collective only.
    the collective's primary goal's will be:
    1) gain control,either by force or infiltration of the current system.(this will be voted on)

    2) once control is gained all wealth will be distributed evenly to the collective.

    3) kill all non believers of the collective.

    simple :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Impracticle and impossible to implement!

    Ancient Greece had a system where hundreds from the community would make the decions of the whole country, as in the majority within government representing the people because to allow every one to have their say or take a vote from everyone would be impossible with the simple fact of time, counting votes, etc.

    And internet voting or electic voting is no option as such systems can be abused by those "leading" the movement in question. Hence communist system fails on its head. Not that communism ever mentions all been equal and fair, i think you are mistaking Communism/Leninism/Bolshevism with Markism and Socialism.

    See, Complicated! :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    Impracticle and impossible to implement!

    Ancient Greece had a system where hundreds from the community would make the decions of the whole country, as in the majority within government representing the people because to allow every one to have their say or take a vote from everyone would be impossible with the simple fact of time, counting votes, etc.

    And internet voting or electic voting is no option as such systems can be abused by those "leading" the movement in question. Hence communist system fails on its head. Not that communism ever mentions all been equal and fair, i think you are mistaking Communism/Leninism/Bolshevism with Markism and Socialism.

    See, Complicated! :thumb:
    "new age communism",ive invented it,its a mix of a few.......look i know it can work!...i'll play the mindless optimism card!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    "new age communism",ive invented it,its a mix of a few.......look i know it can work!...i'll play the mindless optimism card![/QUOTE
    buggar off ...i aint got the time for all that voting ...AND ...get to thirty thousand posts in here ya twonk!
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    I am with you!

    We got any weaponary sofar? We'll need to defend it - Government have a tendancy to send in the Military to these things.
    Boring! Who would lead this "collective" of yours? Who would have all th epower to control it? Who would determine its policies? How would it take over the current system and maintain order, law enforcement, keep the peace, feed the people, provide insentives?

    Go learn about communism then return kplzthx. :p

    Until we have established a world under the system though, or at least a large proportion of it, we need a leader! I am availible for this post if required. If not, do expect me to take it by force. Thankyou.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    I am with you!

    We got any weaponary sofar? We'll need to defend it - Government have a tendancy to send in the Military to these things.



    Go learn about communism then return kplzthx. :p

    Until we have established a world under the system though, or at least a large proportion of it, we need a leader! I am availible for this post if required. If not, do expect me to take it by force. Thankyou.
    sorry,but that will be seen as not beneficial to the "collective"...and you will be executed !..........bit of a cunt really,i just got to like you.......but "needs must" and all that. :)
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    sorry,but that will be seen as not beneficial to the "collective"...and you will be executed !..........bit of a cunt really,i just got to like you.......but "needs must" and all that. :)

    Damn you. I have support you know! And a tank.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yay, Communism! MORE rules to follow.

    Besides, I have my own subversion to run. Don't worry, I'll save you a sunny spot on the wall, come the real Revolution.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    can we own guns in this new age communist organization?

    after all, dictators preffer un-armed peasents.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    can we own guns in this new age communist organization?

    after all, dictators preffer un-armed peasents.

    You ANY idea about Communism lad? The state withers away! We aren't state capitalist, you know! Although, my user title's sake was probably the second best example of state capitalism...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Daily Reminder: Communism is the teh stupid and the New Soviet Red Army (who are not communist)...well, suffice to say, all your base are belong to us. Make your time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    can we own guns in this new age communist organization?

    after all, dictators preffer un-armed peasents.
    that will be a mandatory requirement on joining the collective....how the hell else are we to gain control if we decide to take by force?....strong language perhaps??
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cain wrote:
    Daily Reminder: Communism is the teh stupid and the New Soviet Red Army (who are not communist)...well, suffice to say, all your base are belong to us. Make your time.
    wtf???..are you welsh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    wtf???..are you welsh?

    Nope. Just informing you of the pecking order when it comes to revolutionary groups. The NSRA > You. And if you dont know about the NSRA, WAYSA?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    that will be a mandatory requirement on joining the collective....how the hell else are we to gain control if we decide to take by force?....strong language perhaps??
    So, who has the Russian connections for some heavy duty AK 47’s?

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    :yum:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    can we own guns in this new age communist organization?

    after all, dictators preffer un-armed peasents.

    Ideas are more powerful than Guns. We would not let our enemies have Guns, why should we let them have Ideas?

    No guns, no ideas, no anything, ok mate?
    I would like to thank Josef Stalin for the quote.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    1) gain control,either by force or infiltration of the current system...
    Hitler had a similar sentiment... :rolleyes:

    Don't be stupid. Communism is a brutal regime that doesn't work. I'm a capitalist through and through. I'll stop now before I start commie-bashing...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    Hitler had a similar sentiment... :rolleyes:

    Don't be stupid. Communism is a brutal regime that doesn't work. I'm a capitalist through and through. I'll stop now before I start commie-bashing...
    hitler was so misunderstood!......at least by you anyway...your days are numbered son! :wave:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    Hitler had a similar sentiment... :rolleyes:

    Don't be stupid. Communism is a brutal regime that doesn't work. I'm a capitalist through and through. I'll stop now before I start commie-bashing...
    Communism failed mainly because it had to compete with capitalism, and there was not the communication technology we have today to monitor the actions of administrative procedure.

    To succeed at capitalism the entity needs to be devious, scheming, deceitful, backstabbing, fraudulent and generally inhumane. Not a very healthy way to pass the time.

    Capitalism is a finite paradigm. The prime objective of capitalism is to have more than anybody else. It will result in the last two capitalists arguing over who will sell the rope that hangs them both.
    :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Communism failed mainly because it had to compete with capitalism, and there was not the communication technology we have today to monitor the actions of administrative procedure.

    I think it's always worth mentioning that communsim was a relative failure. They didn't do things as well as other systems, in fact in a lot of areas they were a damn sight worse but they weren't total and utter catastrophes. An Empire that stood against the west for decades must have had a little bit of something going for it.
    To succeed at capitalism the entity needs to be devious, scheming, deceitful, backstabbing, fraudulent and generally inhumane. Not a very healthy way to pass the time.

    While at the same time voluntarily trading with others, making reliable contacts, keeping your word, being honest and mindful of others needs. In a "closed loop" system of capitalism, your description is an accurate one of the behaviour of those outside the loop, and mine of behaviour towards those inside the loop.
    Capitalism is a finite paradigm. The prime objective of capitalism is to have more than anybody else. It will result in the last two capitalists arguing over who will sell the rope that hangs them both. :yeees:

    No, that's statism. The prime objective of capitalism is to turn raw materials into usable things that can be traded with others, with the person who makes the most usable things being the best.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    No, that's statism. The prime objective of capitalism is to turn raw materials into usable things that can be traded with others, with the person who makes the most usable things being the best.
    No, that is industry. Capitalism is a course of action designed to manufacture product at the highest profit, with disregard for intrinsic value and minimal concern for constructive progression.

    Capitalism prime concern is to generate profit through monetary function. It is the champion of fiscal paradigm with its vigorous clause of built in obsolescence, which causes the consumer to continue purchase and therefore helps to lock the individual into a cycle of debt.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, that is industry. Capitalism is a course of action designed to manufacture product at the highest profit, with disregard for intrinsic value and minimal concern for constructive progression.
    Capitalism prime concern is to generate profit through monetary function. It is the champion of fiscal paradigm with its vigorous clause of built in obsolescence, which causes the consumer to continue purchase and therefore helps to lock the individual into a cycle of debt.

    Ah, you obviously don't know what capitalism is.

    You are describing state capitalism, with a monopolistic monetary supply of (fiat) currency. Not got a lot to do with capitalism.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    a) We have NEVER had Communism. But Cuba is about as close as we've got sofar - and look, it isn't really a failiure at all. The regeime STILL has popular support - that stand for something, and despite the wests efforts - their economy still grows.
    b) We have never had Capitalism. But places like Victorian England were pretty close. Stuff the kids up the chimeny, make some cash outof them!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    places like Victorian England were pretty close. Stuff the kids up the chimeny, make some cash outof them!
    Exactly, disregard for intrinsic value and minimal concern for constructive progression.
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