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Your political views over time

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Errrmmm...in what way is political control and land not about economics?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Errrmmm...in what way is political control and land not about economics?

    That happens once you get the land. The reason why you fight is to get the land in the first place. Nation first...economics second.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In what way are nations not about economics?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    In what way are nations not about economics?

    The economics are governed by those in power. People fight for the nation then decide how the economics are governed. Fighting for the right to have the nation in the first place is not about economics.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm wondering what you think I mean when I talk about economics?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I'm wondering what you think I mean when I talk about economics?

    (used with a sing. verb) The social science that deals with the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services and with the theory and management of economies or economic systems.
    (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Economic matters, especially relevant financial considerations: “Economics are slowly killing the family farm” (Christian Science Monitor).

    Yep and this has what to do with fighting for your own nation?

    You seem to think that fighting for your own nation means you have control of your own economy which is true. But the reasons for fighting aren't economic one's, they're national one's. Dealing with economics comes after that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What do you mean by "national reasons"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having a nation for your own people.

    I'm sure the Irish men and women who fought over the past 800 years didn't give too shit about how goods and services were distributed, they just wanted to be free from foreign control.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Exactly - free from foreign control. Free to decide their own economics. Look - economics is primary in everything we do. Humans need shelter, food, heat etc. How we organise and distribute these things is called economics. Everything comes after that. Maslow's hierarchy of needs an' that.

    Anyway, you have to look at Marx in his historical context. Before Marx, history was seen as the unfolding of ideas (Hegel's dialectic). Marx took this and said that actually, the material (economic) is primary and ideas follow from that. Which is true IMO - if you have no food, shelter or heat then who gives a fuck about ideas of nation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Go and look at why the Irish fought.

    When you bring it back to the basics, its all about the knife and fork issues. The Irish didn't have economic control because they didn't own the land; therefore they went hungry. People don't care about "nation" if they have enough food, water, shelter, and have economic control over where they live.

    All revolutions ever have been about knife and fork issues at heart. The French revolution was, the unification of Germany and of Italy was, the Russian revolution was. Luddism was. Peterloo was. Ireland was.

    Those Irish that owned the land didn't support the uprisings, why do you think that was?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've often been convinced that the P&D boards on TheSite are dominated by hard left-wingers who give anyone who doesn't agree with them a difficult time. I was quite surprised to see such a mixture of different views. And even more surprised that I agree with Kermit on a lot of things... :p ...for instance, this little gem;
    Kermit wrote:
    If they (CEOs) go and kill people for economic gain, as Blair and Bush have done, then yep.
    I'm a believer in corporate responsibility as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with businesses wanting to make money, but not at the expense of everyone/everything else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've drifted from middle right to centre left on economic issues. Was always a social libertarian though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    I've often been convinced that the P&D boards on TheSite are dominated by hard left-wingers who give anyone who doesn't agree with them a difficult time. I was quite surprised to see such a mixture of different views. And even more surprised that I agree with Kermit on a lot of things... :p ...for instance, this little gem; I'm a believer in corporate responsibility as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with businesses wanting to make money, but not at the expense of everyone/everything else.
    i agree,business has no morals though,thats the nature of the beast...and you wont change it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Always been Right of the spectrum...though i do believe in some things needed to be nationalised not privatised.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Always been on the left, though more moderatly than I had been before. Green issues have become a big thing for me recently.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes my views have changed, I used to care, now, not so much. I also used to believe that democracy works, now I don't. That's probably had an impact on me caring.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Used to be 'far-right', then i realised what i opposed was also opposed by the Left, and after a re-assessment of human nature i largely have considered myself to be a 'socialist'.

    I usually view people who have held the same views all their life with some dubiety as the necessary knowledge and development of thought which is required to form a proper political outlook isn't there when you're starting off thinking about the larger questions in life. It strikes me as opinion based on unscientifically-aquired social-psychological positioning.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've always been slightly left of centre. :p

    Not as pro-EU as I used to be though I still think on the whole it does more good than harm.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:

    Not as pro-EU as I used to be though I still think on the whole it does more good than harm.

    The lesser of two evils.
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