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The world really does need its own police force...
fuck yeah
The UN isn't a proper, full legal body though is it? So it can't be the police and everyone saying its the UN says so that goes is crap. Countries do what they want. The UN is a talking shop where countries can argee or disagree to soemthing about some1 else in the world.
its not the be all and end all.
This illustrates the situation pretty well...
And some wonder why people resent this...
oh yeah, it was there land and that little thing called the Holocaust of course.
And the Israllies are so out of line, that government of theirs, so against the palestinians. I mean its not like I have seen the Israelli's diposing their own people form houses by force and using the army ont heir own people to make sure the palestinians get their land its it?
oh wait they are...
Although by the looks of them pictures, there wont be any Palestine at all in a few years!
LOL... are you really that gullible? At the same time as they evacuate settlements that housed 5,000 people in Gaza, they're stealing yet more land and approving the building of settlements for 10 times as many people in the West Bank.
Look at the map again. Carefully.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4560550.stm
Anyways, the conflict could have ended many years ago. All it needs to happen is for Israel to return to map no. 3.
I don't think it's a simple as sending people 'home'. The problems are far deeper than it simply being an 'evil darkie'... Maybe we should deport all anti-capitalists, trade unionists, animal rights protesters and so on because they're all a danger to our peaceful and just society.
So a whole people recieve on of if not th emost horrifc genocidal acts in the history of mankind, a people killed for who they were, tortured and killed in a "final solution" and they don't deserev a country of their own??
The West Bank, however, remains as desolated, fragmented wasteland as before. Worse, in fact. Between the extra land stolen by the erection of the Apartheid-Nazi Wall and the ever increasing settlements, the Palestinians have even less land there than they did in that map 6 years ago.
Let me know if you cannot picture it in your head, and I'll find a map for you.
As for whether the Jewish people deserved a country, that does not mean that you have to steal it from somebody else first, does it? Why didn't Britain voluntarily gave their land away for the creation of Israel? Why didn't the US donate a State for that cause?
Maybe but as you can see by the diagrams...they took more than they needed.
Nah, return to map no.3? that wouldnt solve anything, the palestinians would want way more.
Also it is NOT a Nazi-Wall, it is a Wall...thats what the Communists/Soviets did! Nazis, build Huge death camps!
As for your argument about Palestine being "British land", it was not. it was British occupied and administered but very much rightfully and legally owned by those who inhabited it. This fact was no less true when the Ottoman's ran the region as even their empire, for all its brutality, recognised legal land ownership.
Israel was born of pre-planned, pre-connived ethnic clearances by the Zionist leaders and their manipulative alliances with the colonial powers of the era. All with complete intentional disregard for the aspirations of those who had long resided their in peace by those who already had their own citizenships and homelands elsewhere in Europe and the US.
Letus also not forget that Britain promised the Palestinian Arabs their own independence and nationhood for their aid against the Ottomans who were allied with Austria-Hungary and Germany during WWI. This promise was what was empirically known by the Palestinians to have been utterly betrayed by the Balfour Declaration promising land to those who never had any legitimate claim other than a colonialist one in keeping with the political dynamics of that era (which most critically minded persons should decry no less than any other grasping expansionist miliatrism of that day).
Full Text of "Origins of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" (taken from section: The British Mandate Period) for a starting primer on the issue
Essentially one must ask themselves how they would rightfully react if foreign powers decided that their towns, counties, states would be simply contracted away to the claim of possession by those who never had even set foot in that land prior to their militaristic campaign efforts to secure it for themselves. To say one group may do this to another because they possess some unassailable exceptionalist status that no other humans should enjoy, let alone basic respect for long established leagal ownership, residence in and cultivation of the land is moral duplicity.
[Important to note as well that even after the much touted purchase of land from absentee Arab landowners, the total land area owned by the JNF was a mere 6%. Later imposition of fraudulent land laws enabled Israel to simply declare emptied villages and lands "absentee owned" and thus forfeit to Israeli possession; pure theft by any reasoned standard.]
Damn Right!
Heavy subject are far more deamanding of attention but admittedly tiresome when so much of the established text book explanations just tow a sanitised line. Its do central an issue to what is actually going on the ME is directly for US and Israeli interests in the region. Im fascinated by it personally.
have a good one.
Irregardless, Cland, when i have the time, i am going to read the full extent of that link you put up!
Then again, "Irregardless"? :chin:
Wrong... that is what practically all Palestinians want. Including, you might be shocked to hear, Hamas.
Yes, that's right. Even Hamas said yesterday (or rather, repeated, because they've been saying that for years) that they would be prepared to negotiate a full and permanent peace with Israel if the Israelis were to return the stolen land and return to 1967 borders (as per UN resolutions and international law calls).
When you build a Wall intended to enclose and concentrate people in sub-human conditions destroying their livelihoods and making them live in guetto-like conditions, you're closer to the Nazi way of thinking than to the communists.
No, you put out one sided and selective sources which advance your anti-Israeli agenda.