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horizon: war on science tonight
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personally i dont care if someone thinks some creator made man, however exposing children to unscientific methods in science classes can only further disenchant people from actual experimentation and reasoning
im not saying evolutionary theory as darwin put it is perfect either, it has huge flaws and lots of things we cannot explain as of yet, however using holes in knowledge as a reason to teach an 'intelligent designer', is utter bollocks and isn't science, we didn't what powered the sun exactly 100 years ago until einstein linked energy and mass, and alchemy to an large extent was a load of crap until they applied scientific methods and mathematical theory to land up at modern chemistry, which is VERY VERY coherant due to huge rigour in it's working for the past 100 years or so
all it does imo is further dumb down the masses to be told things are the way they are by our ever so trustworthy leaders
personally i dont care if someone thinks some creator made man, however exposing children to unscientific methods in science classes can only further disenchant people from actual experimentation and reasoning
im not saying evolutionary theory as darwin put it is perfect either, it has huge flaws and lots of things we cannot explain as of yet, however using holes in knowledge as a reason to teach an 'intelligent designer', is utter bollocks and isn't science, we didn't what powered the sun exactly 100 years ago until einstein linked energy and mass, and alchemy to an large extent was a load of crap until they applied scientific methods and mathematical theory to land up at modern chemistry, which is VERY VERY coherant due to huge rigour in it's working for the past 100 years or so
all it does imo is further dumb down the masses to be told things are the way they are by our ever so trustworthy leaders
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oh i was just saying that just because i think ID is a load of brainwashing crock, doesn't mean i fully support darwinism, as it has it's flaws like in synbiotic relationships and co-operation between species, like apparantly it's reckoned mitochondria were initially bacteria, but animals took them in or something like that, i'm not 100% on it i just read an extract from some article
The intilligunt desine people start off from certainty and then find out they were right. Obviously not science.
But ID isn't pushed by 'our leaders' is it?
cough cough USA
anyway it encourages people to listen to bad science, cold fusion, MMR jabs causing autism et al
IMHO, The Intelligent design people are twonks. "OMG, science can't answer some questions we ask, that means God MUST exist!1!one!!"
I mean, how many times has waiting a little proven Sicene is right? Oh, you can't explain my son getting ill, it must be God! Oh look, we understand Bacteria now, and have developed a cure!
false and inaccurate definitions of humankind premised
in man-made religions and humanistic philosophies.
Human knowledge is a fraction of the whole universe.
The balance is a vast void of human ignorance. Human
reason cannot fully function in such a void; thus, the
intellect can rise no higher than the criteria by which it
perceives and measures values.
The idea of God is not that stupid is it? I'm sure most people are adult enough to accept that other people are entitled to their own opinion on the matter without being ridiculed.
its is all "oooh, God put us all here as we are!"
What bollocks, where did the dinosaur bones come from? How do you explain away carbon dating? What about civilisation prior to the existence of Christianity eh? eh? Answer me that? What about the guys who thought the Titans or the Gods (plural) created life eh? eh?
You can actually see fossils which show evolution taking place!
I believe in God becaus ei have faith, but if you showed me scientific proof showing there is no God, i would accept it, but you can not prove it one way or the other hence faith! Evolution is a different kettle of fish all together. It is like Gravity...it happens, deal with it!
At every school I know of here, the religion teachers wouldn't even think of going against the theory of evolution. Unlike many (not too smart IMHO) people, they don't take every word in the bible as literal.
If you asked them a question like "If we were made by God then is evolution wrong?" they'd say that "Mud, which is what the genesis says God made people from, is purely symbolic and means things that already existed." That's what makes the most sense to me.
Adam and Eve is latin for man and woman, hence the adam and eve story is just saying how man and woman get together and have kids. It is not a case of there actually was just one adam and one eve who were the only people...anyway, even when your read religious doctrine it says they found other people outside of Eden.
Science is just another process of thought, as in its just a theory, as is ID. Its merely one explanation of how we got to be here, just as every other civilisation on the planet has its own explanations of creation. Who's to say that our explanation is the correct one? Every religion believes that their theory of creation is the correct one, just as science believes that it has the 'correct' ideas of creation. Science believes that it is a divine truth, as do most religions, but it seems to me that the masses do not see science as another strain of thought, rather they see it as gospel, that science is superior to all other ideas and notions of existence.
Don't get me wrong, im not a bible basher or a religious nut, i believe in science. I believe that out of all the religions and strains of thought science holds the most valid and reliable perspective on existence. It can provide us with knowledge of medicine, physics, and biology.
Howevr i still see it as merely another strain of thought, not a superior form of knowledge ahead of religion etc, its on a par with it, it just really gets on my nerves when people claim that science is different to religion and that its better without acknowledging that all it is is another perspective as oppossed to an absolute truth, which is what people seem to see it as these days.
Errrr...no.
you could happily go and find journal yourself if you didn't just want to take it at face value - even just reading new scientist would tell you a lot and point you in the right direction
ID isn't a scientific theory since it uses the absense of evidence to show something....
and to iguana, science isn't a theory it's a methodology of doing things
In that situation NOTHING at all can be accepted unless you experience for it yourself. If you have to carry out a scientific investigation for everything you would never live. I can say i have faith a bullet fired from a gun into some ones head will not kill them as i have no "proof" of it unless i go and shoot someone or myself to find out.
The whole point of science is to build on what becomes before you, hence why we are still not living in caves "discovering" fire still. We have built on what came before us to form civilisation. What is PROVEN in scientific journals is just that proof some has found and is recording for everyone to see. Thw whole concept of religion is that it is faith and nothing more, there is no proof or evidence, thats the point of why you have to have faith.
then that is your problem....
i think it's the most accurate description of what happens, and very accurate indeed
I actually agree ... maybe agnostic is the word for that frame of mind?
some science is a fact that can not be proven otherwise because it is infact already proven.
hmmm, although, i do have to concede on evolution that if an alien ship came to earth and showed that they planted all the dinosaur bones and other such fossil remains here and we were actually here already as a homo-sapiens that would fuck up my acceptance of evolution...though it would be cool.
they are the remains of long gone creatures ...are you suggesting they are someohow linked to human evolution?