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In the same way that a human does? Are you sure?
Well, free will is debatable. But self-awareness still doesn't mean we should completely distance ourselves from our instincts.
I'm totally against cruelty to animals, but i don't have a problem with killing for meat or even for fur providing it's humane and doesn't threaten extinction. That's the correct balance between human priviledge & human awareness imo.
I have no problem with killing for meat either. I do think that killing for sport is wrong though. How sporting is shooting something with a high powered telescopically sited rifle anyway?
Just like kicking a ball is...some people find it enjoyable, some don't.
Did I say it was?
It's killing for the sake of killing. Don't agree with that, it ain't sport. Hunting with, say, a flintlock would be different though.
Some animals are the natural friends of man - cats, dogs etc. Others aren't, and i don't really have a huge problem with certain types of hunting as sport. I see it as part of the natural order. It's worth noting that a lot of fox hunters, people who shoot birds etc are also very dedicated conservationists.
Difference being that you don't kill anything kicking a ball.
Well footballs used to be made form pig skin but that's not relevant now.
Anyway, still doesn't matter, it's still a sport. Humans have a knack for killing things, from spiders to cows to ourselves. Certain people enjoy shooting animals for sport...what can ya do?
I thought you would have known as much.
Yes I have seen it. I have two cats. Do you actually know why they do it?
Rubbish. Animals do not kill for fun. A few kill animals even though they don't eat them. But that is due to a mixture of factors including overwhelming basic animal instinct.
A twat paying several thousand quid so he can fly to South Africa, shoot a lion and then hang a picture in his office of himself holding his big gun in front of the dead animal has precisely fuck all to do with any kind of instinct.
How could you pretend otherwise?
And what of cases where animals are not simply hunted but used otherwise? Do you approve of cock and dog fighting? And if not, why not?
What makes you think that just because some people eat meat they have no right to comment on the welfare of animals?
Would it be hypocritical of my to complain about cockfighting then? Yeah right...
You keep missing the point that even if human beings could survive without eating meat, eating itself is the single most basic human need. Hunting for entertainment is not a need of any kind by any stretch of the imagination.
However earlier you said you had no problem with sombody killing an ape so they can sell their hands as ashtrays.
Do you really think that is acceptable?
You ever kept birds? We used to, and we've had a fox get in the field and kill 18 out of 23 birds. In the morning we found dird birds lying everywhere, completely uneaten.
A very true story no distorted or exaggerated in the slightest.
You don't actually need to eat meat either.
Actually, I do. Its why I stopped being veggie. I can't digest plant fibre very well or absorb much protein from it. I'm a lot healthier eating meat.
Worry about how the animals are treated when theyre alive rather than what they do with the carcasses once theyve been deaded.
The point is that most people in Western countries don't need to.
And I see very little wrong with sport shooting either as long as the quarry is eaten, worn or being culled.
People harp on about shooting yet these animals being shot have it better than any of the animals on the supermarket shelf.
It's not though.
My wife is from rural Cumbria, her mates are all farmers daughters. It IS what happens, despite the anti-hunt lobby trying to claimj that foxes are all cute and fluffy-wuffy.
But it is to do with instinct.
By nature, humans are hunters. For many people, hunting gives them the buzz, the thrill, that instinct wants.
I'm not in favour of hunting because I happen to think its needlessly cruel, but there is a buzz in killing something.
They have every right to complain about the welfare of animals- if animals are being treated cruelly, that is abhorrent.
They don't have a right to complain about the death of animals for human gain if they eat dead animals for human gain. Surely that much is obvious?
Hunting for entertainment isn't a need, but hunting grouse, pheasants or deer isn't exclusively for entertainment, is it? Hunted wild venison is gorgeous, so is wild game.
Wearing fur to keep warm is as much a necessity as eating steak to keep fed. There are alternatives to both.
I happen to agree with Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall on this matter. It is vitally important that people remember where meat comes from. The second the link between the cow and the steak is broken, the supermarkets and the factory farms can get away with the most abhorrent treatment because people don't consider them.
I don't believe that animals are skinned alive, because its very hard to keep them still, which can seriously damage the skin. A slip of the knife ruins the fur.
having got the stuff and the dog not eating it i thought well starve you buggar ...you'll eat it when your hungry enough.
she didn't.
i had to chuck it and my dog will eat almost anything.
I'd say killing gorrillas to make an ashtrays is a frivellous waste. I'd say it's going too far. But to kill mink for fur? I don't have such a problem. As people have said on here, genuine fur is warmer, looks nicer etc - i'd say that provides better justification. It's an improvement on man-made fibre, whereas using gorrillas' hand as an ashtray serves no real purpose.
wearing fur is environmentaly good ...weasring man made fibres ...is seriously damiging to the planet.
Personally I'm not against people eating meat, but I don't eat it myself. I think you should be prepared to kill something yourself if you're going to eat it.
As for foxes killing for fun, they actually don't. If the opportunity is there they will drag off their prey (for example with chickens) and hide it, if they're disturbed they will leave.
Chimps kill for fun though.
Kind of true, yeah.
When my mum's cat knows it's been naughty and got told off, it goes out and brings a mouse back to say sorry. It's quite sweet, but obviously I'd rather not have to smash the mouse in to put it out of its misery.
Not really. I've seen cats toying with mice.
And yes, whilst they often will bring dead animals back as 'gifts' they will also pile them up uneaten under hedges etc for no apparent reason.
the fox will come round and grab one now and again and be off with it.
if the fox gets into an enclosure full of chickens ...the chickens go mental ...start flapping and screaming ...so the fox kills them all or as many as possible in panic ...or just to shut the fuckers up ...seriously.
your chasing one around the room ...it runs directly at the wall and turns invisible!
in reality it collapses its skull and disapears under what looks like an impossible gap for it get through between floor and skirting ...all faster than your eye can follow ...amazing innit!