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Stealgate's communism
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Stealgate, I'd be very intrested if you could tell me how exactly your communist utopia would work. You keep on spouting your usual stuff about how the workers will unite and control the resources. But I would like to know if you know how it will work. How would you stop leaders from becoming corrupt? How is it different from Stalinist Communism? etc.
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I read the term "handler" and think "spymaster." <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
There would be a democratic plan of production where what and how much of what needed to be produced would be decided by all the workers through workers committee meetings which would send delegates to a central committee which would make the final decisions. All the delegate would hold only temporay positions too!
This system was actually set up in Russia after the 1917 revolution when there was both democracy in the workplace and in the army. What went wrong was that not all the officials positions were temporary and subject to accountability! The party leader Lenin and Trotsky's position were permananet and when Stalin took over from Lenin he set about abolishing all democracy in the Party.
Therefore under communism every singel party position would have to be temporary and with party offical subject to recall and dismissal from there posts if the party membership disagreed with their decisions. The power would be placed in the hands of the party members and workers committees.
Once communism was extablished completely with all industry placed under the control of the workers committees then the Partys job would be over and the workers committees would take over the control of running the country and industry.
That was another thing that went wroing in Russia the party did not dissolve itself after communism had been set up it instead remained and the party leaders had more powerv than the workers committees so they were able to take control of the scountry and under Stalins rule inpose a dictatorship where all workers committees were abolished!
They key to preventing a small group taking control and creating a dictatorship is to make sure that the power remains in the hands of the workers by making every officals post temporary and all offical subject to recall to account for their action by workers committee members!
How do you get rid of the people from the comittees, if they aren't performing? How do they liaise with other groups from other organistaions? Do they get paid more for the added responsibility, if not, why not? Do the committee have the power to stop the benefit from those who don't work? If not why would people work, if it didn't have any detrimental affect on their life? If so, how will these people live? Who puts these people forward for election? How often are elections? Is the election based on PR, or first past the post? Do these people represent an area, or the country as a whole? Is there a head of state?
If people had genuine difficulty in getting work they would get some benefits but while they were being found work to do.
The committees would be elected by groups of workers so unpopular people in those committees would not be there for long.
Would different professions have higher pay than others?
Because if not, what about lawyers? Law is probably one of the most complicated career paths to take and people take it because in the end they get payed LOADS. Nobody would study law if in the end they could earn the same money sweeping roads.
I don't see how the system could work....pay is a great incentive.
So, would the committee members not have to do any other work then?
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Learn to read.
I asked about people who REFUSED to work, not who weren't capable.
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How often would these elections take place then? How long until someone not pulling their weight could be 'sacked'?
And can you respond to the rest (you seem to have conveniently missed them):
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