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Also the reason that these countries are so poor is because of the American backed trade embargo on these countries! Any country would become extremely poor if it had the same sort of US backed tarde embargo imposed on it no matter what system of government it had! I am sure that if the UK had a trade embargo imposed on it where it lost 80 per cent of its foreign trade then the people here would soon be living in extreme poverty and starving!
[ 29-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
You miss the point, EVERY DAMNED TIME! Communism in your wetdrem perspective ain't gonna happen in REALITY, because it is the carrot to lure simple-minded cretins LIKE YOU to subvert their societies in order for those with the nefarious agenda to gain control FOR THEIR OWN TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! You think I am an "idiot"? YOU ARE THE MORON!!!
Yes! 80% of UK would be a huddled starving mass begging for foodscraps if they were lazy assed fools like you, completely non-productive, who would rather lay on that fat ass than to contribute ANYTHING to the economy of their country!
As MoK suggested, I have been homeless, living in a sleeping bag in public parks. I also worked 60 hours a week, and availed myself of the advantages of the "evil capitalist system" to pull myself back up, rather than depend upon begging, or government handouts, and THEN play the ASSHOLE INGRATE who had the temerity and would destroy the system sustaining my pathetic life!!!
DARWIN had it right, socially speaking... the STRONG survive, and those UNFIT perish from the world!
You've got strong words from the safety of sitting behind someone else's monitor (by your own assertion), you pathetic little fuckwit? How about employing that energy to support yourself, rather than aspiring to be a parasite?
ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF! You really are PATHETIC!
That is why Cuba is so poor! You can't say that it is the reality of communism because Cuba does not have a system of democratic workers control of production and production for need which is what communism really means!
You are also a US marine so you are just as bad as those terrorists who killed thousands of people on September 11th! Because the US miliary machine has devastated Afghanistan destroying thousands of peoples homes and killing far more people than died on September 11th! <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Total civilian casulties from US/UK forces totalled about 150.
Total civilian casulties from Taliban and Al-Qaeda forces:Incalucable.
The "thousands" of Afghans that have been killed were either soldiers, or civilians killed by their own leaders.
What you posted was a logical fallacy. The capitalist don't start wars, they take advantage of it to make money. So what? They also provide the munitions so the soldiers can fight and win wars. Someone has to provide, and someone has to pay. I'd rather my nation pays top dollar on my equipment so I'll survive and win the battles than have low quality equipment. I appreciate what the capitalist provide.
Here's something else that should be considered, you ain't gonna get a job off a poor person! The business owners provide jobs to people so they can live and pay for items that they need. When's the last time you were given a good paying or even a reasonable paying job from a poor person?
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Steal statements like that are just the ramblings of idiots who know damn well they dont have what it takes to be Marines. You are a coward - but dont attack others because you wish you werent.
Communism would never work because of the countries we all have cited - its a nice theory really but one that in Cuba, Russia, China et al, that have all lent themselves to destruction and corruption. In essence a model that can never be achieved.
By they way - "Marine" is always capitalized.
Marx: Society goes through the following phases, in order: tribal, feudal, capitalist, communist.
Your proposition: Capitalism causes wars.
Now,
(1) Wars also exist in non-capitalist systems e.g. primitive countries in the present day, just about everywhere in the past.
(2) From (1) we can deduce that whatever the cause/causes of war is/are, it/they are not limited to capitalist systems.
(3) From (2) we can conclude that capitalism is not the sole cause of war.
(4) Also on the basis of (2) we can hypothesize that capitalism is not a cause of war at all. This would require that we identify all causes of war and find a capitalist system that has none of these factors present, and then observe to see if it has wars. This is not something we can easily do.
So, clearly (4) is just a hypothesis, but I'd love you to try and knock down the reasoning in (1) to (3).
Missed again, you did.
In your incredible stupidity, it is beyond your comprehensive skills to understand that the examples of "communism" we have seen are the REALITY, not the bullshit delusion that flows from your pukehole.
As all fools who have been duped, you REALLY believe that communism will make the sun rise in the west, don't you?
George Orwell was right about you. Y'all SHOULD read his work, since you cannot even see the reflection in the mirror.
Baah!!! BAAH!!! BAAH!!!
LAUGH MY ASS OFF!
War today are caused by the rivaleries that arise between different countries under capitalism over things like competition for markets, trade routes and access to raw materials!!!!!!These are the root cause of all modern wars!!! World War II for example arose out of competition for markets between Britain, France and America and Japan, Italy and Germany!!!
The slump led in 1931 to a major breakdown in the system of international payments. Production fell in country after country and trade plummeted. Gold became concentrated in the hands of the dominant capitalists in the USA, Britain, France and the countries associated with them. These states also had a monopoly of access to most of the sources and raw materials in the world. The world thus became divided into two groups; those countries which had the gold and raw materials and those which lacked them. Germany, Japan and Italy were in the second group and in a bid to solve the problems this presented, the governing parties organised on an aggressive totalitarian basis and resorted to policies which challenged the other, dominant group.
To get gold and currencies to buy essential raw materials the totalitarian states tried 'dumping', i.e. selling their products below cost. In their trade with other countries they used devices which avoided gold, such as barter and bilateral trade agreements and credits which had to be used to buy their goods. All these devices tended to tie their trading partners to them and thus take them out of the world market.
This decline in the use of gold threatened the financial centres of London and New York. London was also threatened as the centre of dealings in raw materials. Pursuing these aggressive economic policies Germany had considerable success in Southern Europe and Latin America, while Japan made headway in the markets of Southern Asia. In 1931 Japan used armed force in Manchuria to set up a trading monopoly there. In the past the imperialist powers had decided on an open door policy for trade with China as none of them was strong enough to exclude all the others. Now Japan was trying to do just this, a policy which inevitably led to conflict with America and Britain. Italy similarly used force to get an overseas market in Abyssinia in 1935.
By way of response, the dominant powers decided on a determined campaign to regain the markets lost to the totalitarian countries. German, Japanese and Italian goods were boycotted. Credits were offered to the countries of Southern Europe to win them away from dependence on Germany. The more successful these policies were the more desperate became the economic position of German capitalism. Without the funds to give credits, force appeared to be the only way. Hence the annexation of Austria in 1938, the breaking up of Czechoslovakia in 1939.
At this point the conflict of economic interests was coming to a head. Germany was trying to keep its gains in Southern Europe by all means, including force, and Britain and France were using credits to undermine German influence. There was no backing down on either side. War would break out as soon as Britain and France decided to resist force with force.
Before capitalism we had feudalism and Imperialism. Systems where there was a ruling property owning class and a lower class. Similar to the capitalist system of today! Under this system the ruling class of different countries was in competition for the worlds resources with the ruling class of other countries!!! The reason for wars in these earlier systems was therefore the same as it is today - competition over raw materials, markets and trade routes hence empire building which was the seizing of land in other countries tro exploit these countries resouces, wars often broke out between diffferent countries over colonies!!!Capitalism causes wars because under capitalism it causes economic competition between different countries!!!
Read about the economic causes of wars here.
[ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
The tribes in the jungles of the Amazon aren't capitalists you fucking prick. Yet they still fight wars with each other.
African tribes still fight.
We fought wars before capitalism existed.
Problem is, Steelgate, that you can make these claims but facts prove them to be false.
War is caused by human nature...
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Note: if ALL countries are capitalist, doesn't this just add further proof to our claim that your supposed utopia will never happen, becuase 100% of the world's nations obviously don't want it.
SHAME ON YOU!!! <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
You would deny the little shit-for-brains the justification for his terrorist activities, which are his REAL agenda? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Who does NOT clearly understand that stealgate simply wants to be the monkey-wrench in the works... an NIHILIST? <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Capitalism is the total privatization of all busness. The US has only a few government controled busnesses but any cancels it from being truely Capitalist.
Socialism is the midway point where about 50% of the busness is privately owned and 50% is government owned.
Communism is 100% government owned. Therefore the USSR was truely a communist country. Yes there political system was a Polit Bueru, but the economic system was communist.
Facism is a privatly owned but strictly government controlled economic system. IE the third Riech.
So just because the countries of the world don't have a Democratic system of government (which I doubt you really want anyway), you can't say that they are not Communist economic countries.