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should year 11's be treated more like college students?
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i've been thinking a lot over this suject, because we've had quite a few colleges come in and say that lots of people drop out purely because it is so unlike school and soem people find it too difficult to adjust.
if they were given more responsiblity of their learning, and were treated more like adults they might just become more responsible and more mature. i think that teachers seriously mollycoddle year 11 students and praticaly do everything for them, this is certainly right for the lesser ability groups.
what do you think??
if they were given more responsiblity of their learning, and were treated more like adults they might just become more responsible and more mature. i think that teachers seriously mollycoddle year 11 students and praticaly do everything for them, this is certainly right for the lesser ability groups.
what do you think??
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The solution isn't to treat them more like college students, it's to drop the whole idea of decades long education from the get go. People are over-educated, over trained to the point where it borders on brainwashing. It's certainly timewasting on a grand scale.
Theres certainly an easy correlation to be made between huge amount of personal problems that exist these days, and the mostly institutionalised population we have.
this needs to coincide with serious changes to the GCSE system to make it more versetile and less trainable
even in colleges though they do it to an extent, because lots of parents like to think its their little child not a developing adult that can have some flexibility and responsibility for their actions
Because that produced thoughtful, methodical people who could actually do things, instead of over educated half-children with no real skills and massive debts.
The moire gudiance we recieved the lower our mark.
I loved it, I took the ICT, and am proud to say I achieved a double A. But I now also love college, going out and doing the work myself feels so much more easier than being told what to write.
As for year 11, why pick that out in particular, from the beginning to the end of school you're practically held by the hand every step of the way.
You have to remember not everyone in school wants to learn, and there are the types that are just counting down the days until they leave school, giving them more freedom will just cause chaos
One thing i'm definitely against is forcing certain subjects to be taken for standard grade (roughly the scots version of GCSEs, i'm sure it's the same kind of system)...i had to do maths and french...managed to cheat my way through french...and didnt terribly at maths...of course, they thought they know better than me what was good for my education, so i may as well have failed maths and, by passing french, i took it to higher (scots a levels) as i didnt have much option to do otherwise and unsurprisingly failed.
If hadn't been forced to do maths and french for a foreign language, i could have done other subjects which i'd have passed easily and then taken the higher successfully. But oh no.
it isnt purely about results though, its compulsory in that hoping you study and therefore learn something from it
did i hate english? yes, could i have subjects vtter suited to my ability? yes
i wouldnt do it again but at the time it done me good and i do remember ood things, and ways of doing things which i learnt, like right now as my oral assement was in debating
Aye...but there wasn't any chance of me studying...and i got nothing from it.
English is rightly compulsory, for obvious reasons...but maths and french...fine if you've got an interest and that's your field...but they aren't necessities to go onto uni or get a good job.
Still, being in one of lower maths sets allowed for ample opportunity to terrorise incompetant foreign maths teachers - so it wasn't all bad.
theres the school spirit!
and in all fairness by yor argument english doesnt need to be compulsory either because by 14you really should have learnt to read and write which is all you use english for :rolleyes:
the reason only some subjects are compulsory, is so you learn a variety of ways of forming arguments and problem solving skills, and french was there so you hopefullly got a basic vocab which tends to help in learning languages later on in life
thats why english, maths, science, a langauage and history(or)geography should be compulsory and fully timetabled up to 16 imo
whether or not the teaching is any good is a completly different question
in terms of basic skills like the 3 Rs you should have learnt them by 14 or 15 EASILY i could read and do arithmetic by thr age of 11 and so most people from my meagre primary school, then in secondary school, to many kids were like "youre going to fail lets just teach you the bare minumum" i know i was pt into the bottom set english class in year 8, through a clerical error and was stuck there all year, i learnt sod all not because the people were thick but because they all seemed to have crisises in life of some form or behavioural difficulties - quite a few were probably autistic
but we exam things too much in this country so its a case of teaching to the exam or the coursework which disinterests anyone with a brain
Why?
We had to take English, Maths, Science and a form of humanities (choice of Religious Studies or intergrated) and anyone who was predicted a C or above for English HAD to take English Lit, which was on after school...
No, it isn't :rolleyes: . English covers more than being able to read and write - analysis of meaning, conveying your opinion and setting forth arguments properly amongst others. All of which is a necessity day-to-day for any well-rounded person and obviously a pre-requisite for those embarking on a course of higher education.
A good system would involve the possibility of avoiding maths and french if you have an actual reason for doing otherwise - as i did.
But you NEED maths for near enough any job you do, that's why here it's compulsary...
isn't RE compulsory?
Humanities of some sort is...
Not true.
Some jobs require a certain level of maths qualification, loads don't.
And apart from basic numeracy, you don't need to understand advanced mathematics on a day-to-day basis either.