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late abortion woman to be prosecuted
BillieTheBot
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Story.
Anyone going to attempt to justify this action?
Still, the HateMail will be happy. Prosecuting a woman who's had an abortion, and she's foreign to boot!
Anyone going to attempt to justify this action?
Still, the HateMail will be happy. Prosecuting a woman who's had an abortion, and she's foreign to boot!
Beep boop. I'm a bot.
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This lady is also being investigated. I sure feel safer walking the streets at night.
Don't ask my why I stayed this act last year in criminal law.
Sorry link does not work, see below.
Abortion Act 1967, Ch. 87, s. 1 (Eng.)
1 Medical termination of pregnancy
(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person shall not be guilty of an offence under the law relating to abortion when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith--
[(a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman orany existing children of her family; or
(b) that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or
(c) that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or
(d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped].
(2) In determining whether the continuance of a pregnancy would involve such risk of injury to health as is mentioned in paragraph (a) [or (b)] of subsection (1) of this section, account may be taken of the pregnant woman's actual or reasonably foreseeable environment.
(3) Except as provided by subsection (4) of this section, any treatment for the termination of pregnancy must be carried out in a hospital vested in [the Secretary of State for the purposes of his functions under the National Health Service Act 1977 or the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978 [or in a hospital vested in [a Primary Care Trust or] a National Health Service trust] [or an NHS foundation trust] or in a place approved for the purposes of this section by the Secretary of State].
[(3A) The power under subsection (3) of this section to approve a place includes power, in relation to treatment consisting primarily in the use of such medicines as may be specified in the approval and carried out in such manner as may be so specified, to approve a class of places.]
(4) Subsection (3) of this section, and so much of subsection (1) as relates to the opinion of two registered medical practitioners, shall not apply to the termination of a pregnancy by a registered medical practitioner in a case where he is of the opinion, formed in good faith, that the termination is immediately necessary to save the life or to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.
And there is a case for lowering the abortion limit, I don't think you have to be a fundamentalist pro-life evangelical Christian to see that.
BBC article
While nowhere near as many abortions are carried out after 20 weeks than pro-life groups would suggest I find the idea of killing a baby capable of 'fine hand and finger movements' and able to scratch and rub very uncomfortable and disturbing.
So?... The woman pregnant funnily enough can do all that, and more! I don't think reflexes etc justifies reducing an abortion limit, especially as late term abortions are carried out under a general anaesthetic. I've done ultrasound scanning for abortions 15 weeks - 23 weeks and if the woman is under a general, so is the foetus, and despite the 'Silent Scream's' claims, I've yet to see a foetus under a GA move about, kick or protest against the dilators and forceps prodding against it.
It's all very nice to look at pregnancy and abortion from the view of the foetus, but the more important sentient being involved, i.e. the woman doesn't go skipping into an abortion clinic, and sometimes the reasons behind the abortion are more uncomfortable and disturbing than what a foetus can do in the uterus.
Erm indeed, but what has that got to do with anything? Nobody is talking of 'aborting' the pregnant woman.
That's not the issue, or it's not for me. By applying that logic it would be okay to kill a human under a general anasethetic.
What I feel uncomfortable about is killing something that has almost all of the attributes of a baby that’s been born.
Foetus? At 22 weeks that 'foetus' is a baby. Those pictures justify that. And I wouldn't suggest that women 'go skipping into an abortion clinic' and anybody who does is pretty sick. The fact remains, at 20 weeks you're not talking about a mere collection of cells - it's a baby that has many of the attributes of a baby that has been born. I could not condone that with a clear conscience, according to most surveys on this topic most people feel similarly. I don't disrespect people who feel differently and while I am 'pro-life' I'm not 'anti-choice' - but I do think people condoning abortions at that stage are condoning something very wrong.
No, but people are quite happy to talk of embryos and foetuses 'walking' in the uterus, yawning, kicking, coming up with a cure for the common cold as if human beings have never done such things before. It's there purely to prescribe sentimental value to the foetus and take the focus away from the woman who is pregnant.
Embryos have many physical attributes at a much earlier gestation, which include fully formed organs (not including the nervous system). If you're talking about lowering the legal limit purely by what has been formed (not taking into accound attirubutes of personhood, which don't apply to the unborn) then it would be a much earlier gestation.
Umm, no, it's still a foetus. The HEFA recognises it's a foetus from the 8th week until birth, and the majority of organisations also acknowledge that. I haven't seen a picture of a embryo or foetus inside the uterus to show me that it's a 'baby' and that includes 4D ultrasounding.
I'm well aware of that, I've seen the products of that in a sluice room, and I've also seen premature neonates. No one said it's cutesy or implied that at 20 weeks it looks like a blastocyst. I still don't see why development should mean it's 'right to live' overrides the woman's right to bodily integrity.
You forgot to mention that we find it a huge turn on
Back on topic, does anyone know if women over the LLA are sent to Kansas to George Tiller?
Nope, it's still a criminal offence if it's not done within the guidelines of the Abortion Act of 1967.
No they're not. For foetal abnormality and to save the life of the woman, it's legal up until birth. For the majority, the upper limit is 23 weeks and 6 days.
Bit confused by that statement, but if you're referring to the foetus, the heart starts beating after about 18 days.
As I've stated previously, I've believed that abortion should be as early as possible and as late as necessary. That doesn't take the foetus into account in either circumstances because as a pro-choicer I side with the woman every time, even if I don't like the reasons behind the termination, it's not my place to judge. The UK has based it's limits around foetal viability, I believe, and the majority of surgeons I've spoken to on the matter believe it will drop in the next couple of years anyway to around 18/20 weeks, whether people like it or not. I think last time it was dropped was in the early 1990s when the cut off point was 28 weeks.
Abortions after 24 weeks for social reasons are not legal in this country. If you disagree with that law, fair enough, but this prosecution is fair game.
Where does it say she's Foreign ... just because her surname isn't Smith or Jones don't mean she isn't British.
You would have to read the stories from the individual women who have chosen to go down that route. I know that Marie Stopes did a publication on late term abortion, but like MSI are, they like to pack in a lot of their own blurb and comment rather than what the women went through. If you're interested, it's here
I also think you should give yourself a crash course in embryology (seeing as Kentish and I had to go through it on a compulsary basis )
Visembryo
Also from what I understand you can have to wait a while from the day you decide to the day of the abortion. Does anyone know what typical wait are like right now? This must be an awful time to go through.
That depends on a lot of things. One of them is money. If you're lucky enough to have over £500 on you, are in the London area and haven't eaten since midnight, you could have a termination tomorrow if you wanted to, privately, if they have a slot.
If you don't and decide to go via then NHS then I've heard some women have waited anything between 2 and 6 weeks. Which goes by very quickly/slowly if you're 14 weeks at the time you found out about the pregnancy. God help you if you've only been in the country a few weeks and don't know anyone, or the language.
I don't deal with finances at the clinic (and I don't take fees either, nor would I want to). It's the side of work that I hate, even though half of the ladies we see had the NHS pay for their treatment. But, as much as I hate to say it, MSI and BPAS are primarily businesses. Luckily, the clients don't have any exposure to that side of the team as the admin, doctors and nurses are some of the kindest people you'd meet.
Same goes for most pre-meditated murderers and accomplices.
So the woman has an abortion abroad, and that is illegal here but the crim e is commited in another country, is it legalt o have that late an abortion in that other country? I mean if its a crime then why isn't their a prosecution in that country instead of here? or not as suitable may be.