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I disagree, I find it hard to beleive that maybe not in all but in most cases a society where drugs are legal and acceptable would see higher drug consumption than one where they illegal and unacceptable......
And klintock ure right ppl can damage themselves if they want, though they shouldnt be able to put themselves in a state where they may damage society and maybe others.
Not asking this as part of the arguement, but ... Why do you think the government have drugs as illegal at the moment ? They could get tax revenue from them if they were legalised so if they will cause no harm to people other than the ones taking them themselves why are they banned?
(genuine question)
(oh and PS im not arguing against the prescribed heroine thing at the moment, I agree with that after thinking it through a bit :P i just mean in general...)
How would giving out heroin on prescription to addicts drastically increase it's use?
It would be harder to get hold of then it is now.
How does that make much difference?
There maybe some minor increase in use, and at first that may cause problems, but it would settle.
And in return you would greatly decrease the risks to the consumer, quality control and information at the point of sale would really cut down the risk of damage and OD.
The consumption of every illegal drug has been on the increases since it was made illegal. Do you really think that the law is working?
The banning of cannabis had strong racial over tones, its basically about control and fear.
It would work exactly the same way methadone scripts do now, is there rampant methadone abuse, are we all begging our GP's for methadone?
But it varies depending on the drug, MDMA is relatively safe, and cannabis safer than alcohol to society.
Why should we restrict these drugs?
Cocaine and heroin are different, heroin should be on prescription and I have seen no good answer to the cocaine problem.
What does this difference mean?
But most of these drugs were legal at some point?
Explain this difference.
Fair enough, I suppose, if we take as read the existence of society etc (which I won't go into for a change) but should it be the decisive say?
What's wrong with a "we'd prefer it if you didn't" or a "no services for you if you do" or even, "if you can afford those things privately, go ahead."?
Then of course, we have to decide at what point does your legitimate interference to protect your own interests become outweighted by the damage you are doing interfering?
We already have laws against those who damage others.
No it doesnt, only in some areas and by some GP's is consumption in the chemist. But thats not the point really, are you suggesting that if you knew you could get it you would try?
And yes, cannabis can be harmful to some people, but that misses the point, would it be more or less harmful if there was quality control and safety information at the point of sale? And the same goes for MDMA.
Yep we do ... I know im much more likely to break the law if im in a state of innebriation :P (not that i do =P), im thinking more of the ppl that get hurt by the 'law breakers' before they get prosecuted (if they do).
It adds weight to legitimacy. Why aren't people using the drugs now? Yes a lot are but alot are not as well. Making i legal opens up the gates and accaptance.
It may be part of yuor life, or people you mee but that doesn't mean its part of everyone else's.
Why legalise it for the people already using. How come their say is more imprtant or valid then any one elses?
You have to use common sense. If you legalise nearly all crimt hen course your crime levels drop because the acts commited aren't criminal any more, dso thats one chunck gone.
Then the conenction crimes to drugs would stiull exist anyway as they are crimes in their own right for various motives more then just getting one fix. And you really haven't got what you'd do either? is it just for addicts in which case it doesn't stop new addicts being hooked or is it for everyone and what effect would that have??
So the phobition of drugs isn't so very different than the prohibition of alcohol in the states - something that failed.
They banned it and found the law caused more problems - the same sort of problems we are seeing now since drugs have been banned.
But it is. Addicts have to commit other crimes to pay for their addiction. Drug money is the biggest earner for organised crime.
It affects everybody.
Because legal supply would benefit everyone, users and non users alike in lower robbery and assault figures, more police time spent chasing real criminals, tax revenue from the sales, less health problems from addicts, less gang violence....
And I cant make sense of the second bit at all, sorry.
If I wish to use cannabis, why should I be stopped?
I can see what you mean, I'm not convinced the example of banning alcohol is an ideal one.
And its not even an issue of legal drugs supply being great, all it has to be is less crap than what we have now, which is Europe's worst drug problem.
They are illegal because most people want them to be and any governemtn that proposed legalisation of all drugs or even most, that are currently illegal would lose the next election.......
I mean if you say you want to use cannivbs why should you be stopped then why should any one be stopped doing what they want? I want dvds and clothes form shops, they can afford to lose making millions a year, I earn a lowish wage why not just walk in and take it? And similar for other crimes.
real criminals are linked to drugs, the dealers that push their wares on kids and teens, the drug lords, the enforcers etc etc. Thats real crime and criminals.
Why is not? Explain?
What arguments?
I'm not suggesting that because one harmful substance is legal that others should be, but alcohol is a drug like any other.
I think it is worthwhile pointing out the problems prohibtion caused and how they parallel with the problems we have now with illegal drugs.
Money going to organised crime. Users getting a bad quality product which can be fatal etc..
Well you don't know that for a fact do you?
Yes it may be a good idea for the point of view of health and safety etc but the problem is that most people don't give a shit about how cleans some junkies smack is.......