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Why rape laws don't work
BillieTheBot
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Twelve years for raping and beating woman into a coma.
What an absolute disgrace, that the law only deems this attack of being worthy of twelve years imprisonment.
The judge is a very very good judge, so no blame to him. But this is what we've come to, eight years inside for doing that to someone.
It's at times like this that I think some people just deserve the full Saudi treatment.
What an absolute disgrace, that the law only deems this attack of being worthy of twelve years imprisonment.
The judge is a very very good judge, so no blame to him. But this is what we've come to, eight years inside for doing that to someone.
It's at times like this that I think some people just deserve the full Saudi treatment.
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grrrrr.
Would they not get this whilst they're in prison?
Considering that born slippy is the OP on the God bless America thread, its clear that he's being sarcastic.
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Either that, or he really was born slippery enough that the midwife couldn't catch him in time...
I'd be in support of capital punishment coming back in, but this will never happen in the UK again.
Think we should just make a deal with russia or something and send our prisoners to there jails, could be quite a good deal i think.
What's the difference between 12 years and 20 years?
They'd probably just take the money adn then lock them in a shed or something.
The judicial system is not.
As I have said, the judge in question in this case is a very good judge, and is not reknowned for being a woolly liberal. Half of HMP Durham is terrified of Judge Batty.
The sentence couldn't have been much higher, which is why it is so wrong. In this case.
Still, eight years of beatings inside HMP Durham isn't something that he'll forget in a hurry.
But, for rape and sexual assault the penalties are too low. But then I think rape is a mental health issue rather than a criminal one.
I stil don't agree with the death penalty though. Although if that happend to someone I loved, I couldn't quarentee not taking out some justice on my own.
What sentence do you propose?
Keep everything the same, the trial etc (though evidence gathering for rape needs drastic improvement).
But instead of just being given a 12 year sentance they would be given a minimum term, and any release would be totally dependant on evaluations by teams of mental health experts as to their danger to society. So it would be somewhat similar to murder charges now, you would only ever be out on licence.
Rapists would be kept in secure hospitals and not prisons and as far as possible the reasons for their crimes investigated and learnt from.
It's evil.
Given what would happen to someone like him in an institution, it's not a bad idea.
And yes, there are things, chemical castration, therapy, there are methods by which re-offending could be reduced.
And yes, I think raping someone justifies detaining them under the Mental Health Act, but I think a system more like with murder charges now would be easier.
I understand the 'reward' that goes with pleading guilty, but 4 years seems like an awful lot, why so much I wonder?
The starting point for guilty plea credit is 30%, and decreases the closer to trial it gets. A timely guilty plea at the first opportunity is credited with 30% sentence reduction.
He didn't run a trial, so he is entitled to a credit of about 20-25%, which is what he got.
No credit = no incentive to plead guilty. Which means all defendants will run trials. Which means the victim has to go through the ordeal of the witness box.
That's the way it is.
If the defendant doesn't agree a witness statement, the witness has to come to court. And if he agrees the statement of the complainant, he's pleading guilty.
Trials aren't ideal for anyone, but that's the nature of the beast.
Non-violent offences should be reduced, and violent offences should have greater sentences.
As I say, Judge Batty is a very very good judge. All our clients whinge whenever they get sentenced by him, which is the sign of a good judge IMHO.
Nope.
Look at the recent Amnesty poll to see what people think of rape victims who are drunk or dressed sexily. If this woman had been wearing a short skirt, and hadn't been beaten, she'd probably have never seen justice.