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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
So, I moved to the UK for university.
When I moved, I basically got "erased" from the Danish healthcare system and got a form saying that I am on the same term as British people in the NHS.
Fair enough.

Thing is, that this has done nothing but worsen my health. I have 3 conditions. And it's only after 2½ months that I was able to get on top of the waitinglist for both the dermatologist and the rheumatologist.
I need dermatologic treatment 3 times a week, and need to be able to see the rheumatologist at all times, as my arthritis goes through faces where it's either really good or really bad to the point where I can't get out of bed. The most the GP has been able to do for me is giving me painkillers, as the medicine I actually need can only be given by the rheumatologist as it's considered too strong.
Now, I get a weekly dose of methtraxate. I went to the GP yesterday and asked for a dosage that would cover the christmas vacation when I go home, and basically she told me that she can't give me that.
And it just left me feeling so helpless - I mean, I can't get by without this. I'll feel as if I'll break down.
It's hard enough moving to a new country, but having health issues on top of this just makes it all harder.
I am seriously thinking about quitting university here and transfering back home, as I simply can't compromise on my health. I've been crying all day yesterday and this morning. It's just too much.

I don't know, this is basically just a rant. But does anybody know how I could go about this?
I am seeing the rheumatologist on thursday, and will naturally raise this issue there, but what do people do with their medication if they go travelling? Surely I can't be the only person in this situation.

*sigh*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry, do you mean that you have to get your prescription weekly?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm... good old NHS ay? :rolleyes: Really sorry things are so bad... I don't supose going to A&E would mean you got the drugs you needed any quicker? Probably not, but that's the only thing I can think of...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, that's a waste of time. A+E won't give you anything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    No, that's a waste of time. A+E won't give you anything.

    Exept a sore bum and a headache from waiting... ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    discuss it with the rheumatologist. the department often has a nurse practitioner or a helpline that you can get hold of in an emergency, and they will see you as quickly as they can. alternatively, in emergencies, you can go to your GP, and they can ring up the on-call rheumatologist and pull strings

    i don't know what the situation is like in sheffield, but here the department is SERIOUSLY overloaded to the point where it can take 2 weeks to get an emergency appointment and 4 months to get an averagely urgent one. they do the best they can, but there are just too many patients.

    it's a pain in the arse for all involved.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lu_C wrote:
    Exept a sore bum and a headache from waiting... ;)


    especially the queues at the dri :P
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    So, I moved to the UK for university.
    When I moved, I basically got "erased" from the Danish healthcare system and got a form saying that I am on the same term as British people in the NHS.
    Fair enough.

    Thing is, that this has done nothing but worsen my health. I have 3 conditions. And it's only after 2½ months that I was able to get on top of the waitinglist for both the dermatologist and the rheumatologist.
    I need dermatologic treatment 3 times a week, and need to be able to see the rheumatologist at all times, as my arthritis goes through faces where it's either really good or really bad to the point where I can't get out of bed. The most the GP has been able to do for me is giving me painkillers, as the medicine I actually need can only be given by the rheumatologist as it's considered too strong.
    Now, I get a weekly dose of methtraxate. I went to the GP yesterday and asked for a dosage that would cover the christmas vacation when I go home, and basically she told me that she can't give me that.
    And it just left me feeling so helpless - I mean, I can't get by without this. I'll feel as if I'll break down.
    It's hard enough moving to a new country, but having health issues on top of this just makes it all harder.
    I am seriously thinking about quitting university here and transfering back home, as I simply can't compromise on my health. I've been crying all day yesterday and this morning. It's just too much.

    I don't know, this is basically just a rant. But does anybody know how I could go about this?
    I am seeing the rheumatologist on thursday, and will naturally raise this issue there, but what do people do with their medication if they go travelling? Surely I can't be the only person in this situation.

    *sigh*
    I don't know how the Danish system is funded, but you can always pay to see a rheumatologist privately if you are desperate and wealthy enough.

    Hospital services are of variable quality for rheumatology and dermatology departments have notoriously long waiting lists. A lot of routine care happens in general practice and your GP should be able to help for most things.

    I also don't understand specifically what the problem is...is there more to your decision to go back home than the health service?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yep the NHS sux - thankfully i've never been ill enough to really need it (though if your on deaths door i've heard they are pretty good).

    However when you go back home you are entitiled to still recieve healthcare under the danish health system as long as you have the right form from the post office (it used to be an e111 and you can get them online) - what i would suggest you do about the christmas holiday thing is to ask your doctor to write a letter to your danish doctor and then you can get your prescription repeated when your in denmark - I imagine you just have to hand the letter in and pick up the prescription from them.

    I think this might explain why so many people have private health insurance in the UK - but be thankful your not in france where you have to pay to stay overnight in a hospital bed

    xx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    e111

    Wow, good thinking Batman.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    the NHS sux
    Without a hint of irony I can assure you that the NHS is the greatest healthcare system in the world.
    However when you go back home you are entitiled to still recieve healthcare under the danish health system as long as you have the right form from the post office (it used to be an e111 and you can get them online) - what i would suggest you do about the christmas holiday thing is to ask your doctor to write a letter to your danish doctor and then you can get your prescription repeated when your in denmark - I imagine you just have to hand the letter in and pick up the prescription from them.
    The E111 is for emergency treatment only. There are other forms to obtain routine care abroad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a form though - its not like she will never receive any treatment ever again just because she's moved to the UK.

    I think you should rephrase that to say that the NHS is the greatest free healthcare system in the world - you can nearly always get better service (but not neccesaraily expertise) elsewhere if your willing to pay for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    There is a form though - its not like she will never receive any treatment ever again just because she's moved to the UK.
    But then as a Danish citizen, you would expect her to be able to go and see her own doctors when she goes back, without special permission from Brussels. :confused:
    I think you should rephrase that to say that the NHS is the greatest free healthcare system in the world - you can nearly always get better service (but not neccesaraily expertise) elsewhere if your willing to pay for it.
    I believe I phrased it correctly. The service it provides can surely be improved, but the system itself is the fairest around.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Still - am I the only one who finds it odd that her G.P. won't prescribe her medication for whilst she's away? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    Still - am I the only one who finds it odd that her G.P. won't prescribe her medication for whilst she's away? :confused:

    That's the thing.

    Sorry if the initial post didn't make sense. Had been crying all morning.

    I am now completely under the British system - on equal grounds as the British people. This means that I am now longer entitled to medical care in Denmark, unless I as a tourist get really sick and therefore have to seek a doctor.
    It's as if you guys would go on holiday to some country. You wouldn't be able to get an appointment with a GP or specialist just for a check-up - you'd have to become sick or have complications and therefore need to see a doctor.

    My main problem now is that I am going home over christmas and my GP wouldn't prescribe me more than a weeks worth of pills at a time. When explaining her the situation I was told that it was my "own problem" and that she hadn't done anything to remove my rights from the Danish healthcare system.
    It was one thing that she couldn't prescribe me pills to take with me. It was another to be spoken to so harshly, when I tried to be nice about the whole thing, explaining my situation, and in no way bringing in the British healthcare system into it. If I can't raise medical issues with my doctor, who can I go to then?
    Again, it just makes me cry. Cause I feel as if there's no rational thing I can do.

    I know I sound spoilt. But these are genuine medical concerns. And I really can't see myself functioning without those pills. For now my mom is trying to see if she can arrange something as home, and I'll raise the issue with the doctor at the rheumatology department, hoping that it'll be of more help than my GP has been.

    Kentish, I appericiate your opinion, though after having tried differently I'll challenge you and say that the Danish Healthcare system far exceeds the NHS. I am sorry. But after having tried both - there's no doubt in my mind.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tal you totally can get an appointment - when i was younger I broke my arm and had to have an out patients check up after x number of weeks but my parents had booked a holiday for that period of time and the hospital arranged for me to have the same appointment at a french hospital near where I was staying.

    Miffy - they wouldnt' give my husband extra medication for when we went on our honeymoon which was only 2 weeks long!! - they viewed it as his fault for going on holiday - so he bought the same drugs off the internet from India - which i know is highly inadviseable but what on earth did they expect him to do - go and see a random doctor in a developing country and say i've got asthma can i have an inhaler please.

    Ohh and I knew that it wasn't called an E111 i just didnt' know the new name - sorry - I think they are pretty liberal on what is an emergency though - you can still get a GP appointment if you have the flu.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tal, some doctors just suck, I'm afraid that's the way it is. :( One of ours told Mr M that his illness is all in his head so we don't bother seeing him anymore.

    I find it absolutely incomprehensible a. that you have to get your prescriptions weekly rather than say, monthly, and b. that doctors are refusing to prescribe enough medication for holiday periods.

    Is there another doctor at the surgery you go to? Because you can see any of them where you're registered, not just the one you're registered with. Sounds like this one has some issues. I'd try seeing a different one if possible.

    If not try contacting these people. I've contacted them once (here in Coventry) and they were very helpful. Can't promise you the same, obviously, but it can't hurt to try if you can't see another G.P. or you get no joy from them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    Tal, some doctors just suck, I'm afraid that's the way it is. :(

    it's true. it's like any profession - there are good eggs and bad eggs. it's really worth hunting around for a good one.

    One of ours told Mr M that his illness is all in his head so we don't bother seeing him anymore.

    why do so many doctors think that their patients are inventing symptoms? that's always puzzled me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kaffrin wrote:
    why do so many doctors think that their patients are inventing symptoms? that's always puzzled me.

    Obviously we're all malingering layabouts. This despite the fact that being ill is driving him crazy and about all he wants in the world is to get better and go back to work.

    Mind you, this is the same G.P. who also repeatedly told Mr M's dad that his, by then inoperable, bowel cancer was all in his head too. :no:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    Mind you, this is the same G.P. who also repeatedly told Mr M's dad that his, by then inoperable, bowel cancer was all in his head too.

    niiiiiice.

    i think it's more than the malingering layabout theory, cause they thought i was making up symptoms until quite recently, and i have had about 3 days off work this year, if that. i even have to take my hospital appointments as holiday from work, so it's not like i'm skiving. most curious.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    OK then we must all be raving hypochondriacs. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ahh, you must be right. how silly of me. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    Tal, some doctors just suck, I'm afraid that's the way it is. :( One of ours told Mr M that his illness is all in his head so we don't bother seeing him anymore.

    :yes: our doctor told my dad it was all in his head when, in fact, it was cancer.

    i find it odd they won't give you enough to cover you when you're back home as you've explained to them that you're no longer entitled to medical care there. what exactly do they expect you to do?! i'd try and see someone else and see if they can do anything to help you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kaffrin wrote:
    i even have to take my hospital appointments as holiday from work
    Why?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dear Wendy wrote:
    That's the thing.

    Sorry if the initial post didn't make sense. Had been crying all morning.

    I am now completely under the British system - on equal grounds as the British people. This means that I am now longer entitled to medical care in Denmark, unless I as a tourist get really sick and therefore have to seek a doctor.
    It's as if you guys would go on holiday to some country. You wouldn't be able to get an appointment with a GP or specialist just for a check-up - you'd have to become sick or have complications and therefore need to see a doctor.
    Remind me why you want to see a doctor in Denmark?
    My main problem now is that I am going home over christmas and my GP wouldn't prescribe me more than a weeks worth of pills at a time. When explaining her the situation I was told that it was my "own problem" and that she hadn't done anything to remove my rights from the Danish healthcare system.
    It was one thing that she couldn't prescribe me pills to take with me. It was another to be spoken to so harshly, when I tried to be nice about the whole thing, explaining my situation, and in no way bringing in the British healthcare system into it. If I can't raise medical issues with my doctor, who can I go to then?
    Again, it just makes me cry. Cause I feel as if there's no rational thing I can do.
    Your GP sounds extremely rude and I find it hard to believe that she isn't more understanding of the situation.

    Let me get it straight - you currently take methotrexate and get the prescription each week from your GP. The methotrexate is prescribed by the GP, under the supervision of the consultant rheumatologist. You want to take a supply of methotrexate home to cover the Christmas holidays but your GP isn't willing to give you that many tablets in one prescription. Is that right?
    I know I sound spoilt. But these are genuine medical concerns. And I really can't see myself functioning without those pills. For now my mom is trying to see if she can arrange something as home, and I'll raise the issue with the doctor at the rheumatology department, hoping that it'll be of more help than my GP has been.
    If you're seeing the reheumtologist this week, I'm sure he'll be able to sort something out for you. If you need the drugs, they will prescribe them for you.
    Kentish, I appericiate your opinion, though after having tried differently I'll challenge you and say that the Danish Healthcare system far exceeds the NHS. I am sorry. But after having tried both - there's no doubt in my mind.
    It's so good that they've stopped you from using it because you temporarily live abroad? How much do you pay to see a doctor in Denmark?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    Remind me why you want to see a doctor in Denmark?

    Your GP sounds extremely rude and I find it hard to believe that she isn't more understanding of the situation.

    Let me get it straight - you currently take methotrexate and get the prescription each week from your GP. The methotrexate is prescribed by the GP, under the supervision of the consultant rheumatologist. You want to take a supply of methotrexate home to cover the Christmas holidays but your GP isn't willing to give you that many tablets in one prescription. Is that right?

    If you're seeing the reheumtologist this week, I'm sure he'll be able to sort something out for you. If you need the drugs, they will prescribe them for you.

    It's so good that they've stopped you from using it because you temporarily live abroad? How much do you pay to see a doctor in Denmark?

    1. I'd want to see a doctor cause I don't find the service here to cover my needs.

    2. Yes, it's right. My GP will only prescribe me methotraxate for a week at a time.

    3. I don't agree with them doing that, but I can say that the service is faster and better.
    Don't pay anything in Denmark.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You need to discuss your specific needs with your rheumatologist and explain the methotrexate situation to him. If you need it and they trust you to take them appropriately, they will give you enough to cover your holiday.

    If the Danish system chucks you out for living abroad, it sounds pretty shit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Randomgirl wrote:
    Why?

    because they don't generally pay you for sitting on your arse for two hours in a waiting room. unless you've the most generous employers in the world. and the hospital don't let you choose your appointment times.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Any chance of switching doctors to someone more sympathetic?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote:
    Mind you, this is the same G.P. who also repeatedly told Mr M's dad that his, by then inoperable, bowel cancer was all in his head too. :no:

    This time last year, I'd been told 3 times my glandular fever was 'all in my head'.....

    Gave up and threw myself into mock exams....

    Spent January in hospital.


    I too have lost faith in some docotrs :yes: heehee.
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