So, why the crackdown?

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  Former Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

  August 2005

  How many times does it need to be said? Stalinism is not true Marxism, the proper implementation of which has been prevented by US/Western intervention (protecting the hierarchies you're talking about).

  
  Yeah, those theories are great until you give em to people to sort out. Then they always wind up becoming exactly the same.
  

  You really are incredibly ignorant. Marxists support monarchy and hierarchy now, do they?

  
  Yep, only they give it a different name. Names change, positions change, structure never alters.
  

  Did I say it was? First you're slagging "non-governmental" types off then seem to be supporting them.

  
  

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  Teh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix

  August 2005

  I must say I agree. Nearly all the time, whatever spin leaders put on their "system", they exploit it for their own gain.
  
  *sigh* The cruelest joke of politics.

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  Former Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

  August 2005

  Which is why anarchists critique power itself.

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  Former Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

  August 2005

  Which is why anarchists critique power itself.

  
  They find out anything useful?
  
  :wave:

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  Former Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

  August 2005

  klintock wrote:

  Yeah, those theories are great until you give em to people to sort out. Then they always wind up becoming exactly the same.
  
  
  
  Yep, only they give it a different name. Names change, positions change, structure never alters.

  
  A few people corrupting an ideology doesn't render the ideology useless. There have been numerous promising leftist movements which were prevented from developing and flourishing because the West knew they could pose a "dangerous" alternative. Just because you haven't seen it work doesn't mean it can't.
  
  What exactly do you want to see change? If you view all political creeds as one and the same, what precisely do you propose?

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  Former Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

  August 2005

  A few people corrupting an ideology doesn't render the ideology useless.

  
  No, it renders them pointless.
  

  There have been numerous promising leftist movements which were prevented from developing and flourishing because the West knew they could pose a "dangerous" alternative. Just because you haven't seen it work doesn't mean it can't.

  
  True, you cannot prove a negative.
  

  What exactly do you want to see change? If you view all political creeds as one and the same, what precisely do you propose?

  
  Nothing more or less then that as they are all going to be corrupt, recognise that fact and either -
  
  Don't bother you are creating tyrants again OR
  
  Build the corruption into it.
  
  So far democracy is the "best government" in terms of providing for it's members because it does the most to recognise that all the people within it will want to subvert the system for their own ends and piurposes.Of late the "rulers" of "the system" have noticed the double bind they have been put in and are doing the very best they can to get out of it.
  
  By double bind I mean something like the US constitution, which grants the terrorcrats there power (supposedly) but because it does they have to at least look like they are following it. It actually acts as a very clever limit on them.

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