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He's got away with it again.
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Tony Blair. More lives than a cat?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4492439.stm
It's like something from "The Omen" or something. He's lying. Everyone knows he's lying, everyone knows that at best he obeyed the chilly letter of the law. Is it just me that finds the whole thing weird?
The fact that he keeps getting away with it amazes me. What options are there? Impeach him? He isn't getting voted out, that's almost certain.
13 pages of "I don't know" have been presented as definite proof by TB to further his cause for war and now it's proven that he lied. Blechhh :banghead:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4492439.stm
It's like something from "The Omen" or something. He's lying. Everyone knows he's lying, everyone knows that at best he obeyed the chilly letter of the law. Is it just me that finds the whole thing weird?
The fact that he keeps getting away with it amazes me. What options are there? Impeach him? He isn't getting voted out, that's almost certain.
13 pages of "I don't know" have been presented as definite proof by TB to further his cause for war and now it's proven that he lied. Blechhh :banghead:
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I cant say this proves it one way or the other totally definately for me. Probably he was lent on, and probably the war wasnt legal, but who makes the law and who enforces it.
On the balance of things I'm not sure many people will care.
I think the truth of the matter is that the UN failed to word their resolutions in a fashion that allows for any meaningful conclusions to be made on their legality.
They should have specified what the repercussions would be for failing to meet resolutions applying to Iraq. I think that is the reason why the Attorney General wasn't sure which side of the fence to come down on.
True enough - "politician lies!" isn't news to most folks.
Which is why the advice was that without a second resolution the law would be illegal.
Well, the advice given was that the war may or may not be illegal. TB said that he had been told it was legal 100%.
Iraq did not attack the US, nor the UK, neither could it have done so. It was no threat, had nothing whatsoever to do with 911 (just as Afghanistan had no part in it as well) and thus the attacks on these nations, regardless of the subsequent revisionist interpretations and blurring of the issues (with the ready help of a compliant mainstream media) does not negate the clear illegality of these latest examples of War of Aggression against sovereign nations. That fact is compounded further by the essential conquest of those nations for purposes of reordering their internal political composition to suit US/Western corporate interests.
The longer this sort of behaviour is ignored and allowed to establish itself as the status quo, the longer any claims to notions of "the rule of law" and of "state sovereignty" will remain absolutely meaningless.
Which is why NATO had to intervene in Kosovo.
And also why the UN has had far more failures than successes. We learned nothing from the League of Nations.
If the neocons should tumble though, be prepared for the joyous day of recompense upon all those who acquiesced to support their criminality.
Undoubtedly, but that doesn't make the whole thing legal does it. Hell they could do anything and say "Well, we are presumed innocent so we haven't broken the law until it's proven."
Exactly. But Blair said it was "unequivocal". At this point it doesn't matter wheteher he says legal or illegal, because he lied about the advice he got.
Indeed. Indication of the general stupidity and short-term memory of the public (present company excepted of course ... )
Ian.
The League of Nation's isnt the only thing that the majority have failed to learn from, they've also clearly forgotten the suffering of WWII and the Nuremberg Principles which our grandfathers fought and died to help establish.
Guess "past" criminality is only excusable when its recently past and happens to be that of our own leaders. How convenient!
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm
Enjoy!
Could you give the facts that will verify that statement? You state later that...........
Notwithstanding the notion of a "nation" having dignity,what time period are you refering to when the "nation" had dignity?
Move on to where ? "Iran" , "Syria", "Venezuela", "Cuba" ? It`s a small world,isn`t it?
seeker
you'd be going back a long while since it was like that
you young 'uns think it was always like this!
well guess what ...same as it ever was.
the only difference now is ...for the first time ever ...world leaders are being watched by us ...more than we are being watched by them.
they are finding it increasingly difficult to get away with anything and even worse ...from actualy achieving anything.
the days of media politics is the end of the illusion of democracy ...or any other ocracy.
for that matter ...all the ism's as well.
it is becoming impossible to rule cos of the technology of the big eye ...it is getting increasingly difficult to govern as well.
i find it all rather scary.
And where did these pampered, conniving userers and extortionists flee to? The US and UK of course, where they were able to maintain their lavish pedigrees and cowtow with successive administrations always pressing for our western cooperation to sweep them back into power whatever the cost in blood both of our own young men and their own Iraqi countrymen (for whom they had no end of crocodile tears and claims of solidarity in suffering).
Nevermind that these "exiles" never came close to the suffering their machinations finally managed to impose, under the diversionary banner of "multilateral sanctions" ala the UN (but in reality politically maintained with an iron fist from Washington). That alone caused the death of countless times more than Saddam could ever be proven directly responsible for.
In addition to that add in the over 3000 bombs dropped on Iraqi civilian population centers in Gulf War I alone and the countless rounds of DU munitions left littering and poisoning the country from one end to the other, which to this day continues to cause horrific mutations and severly shoretened life expectancies.
Go back further to the period of the alleged genocidal heydey of Saddam and youll find in truth that though he was despotic - as was expected of him by his US/UK handlers to maintain control over potential religious uprising akin to that which had occurred the decade previously in Iran (remember how upset Washington was over the loss of its brutal Iranian despot, The Shah) - the numbers of those killed has been duly blurred with the many many more who were, by our repeatedly claimed western standards, "casualties of war". A war, I would remind you, which was insisted upon, facilitated and financed to serve Washington's and London's political agenda in the region.
But the present criminal cabal in Washington and its active collusionists in mainstream press and media dont expect the sheeple, by and large, to remember that far back or bother researching any further than the handy headline or minute long televised soundbite that passes for "objective in-depth reporting".
The essence of the matter is that Saddam's accountability was noone elses obligation but that of his own citizenry, just as our own publics would (and regularly do) insist no foreign power tell us who we may or may not have as our leaders.
If our might gives us the right to presume ourselves justified in killing upwards of an additional 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians (above the approximately 500,000 via our decade long sanctions, which Madeleine Albright called an "acceptable price to pay") in order to "liberate" them - without any invitation from indigenous Iraqis to do so in the first place - then expect one day to find our own example to the world visited upon our societies when this present age of empire falls to the next. Quite a sad legacy we leave to our children and grandchildren for seeking to justify the actions of our current War Criminals to any degree.
Im sure the people of Fallujah don't share your presumptions of "foresight" when counting the cost they never volunteered to pay to our expansionist war machine.
Old Ground.
Seriously, has anyone opinion on the war changed this week?
clan always speaks the truth
*waits for klintock to start a debate of what makes something true*
me mate...i'm just signing the forms now to join the navy...can't wait to shoot me some Eeraqi's...
This is a thread about the war?
You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
Good point Mr. Roll. they might be getting more authoritarian as a reaction to having what they do investigated all the time. Hadn't even thought of it that way.
welcome to the greatest age of instant information and possibly knowledge.
with a side effect of apathy to a clinical degree in large numbers of the planets occupants.
we have devolved from the armchair critic to digital desk chair desktop opinated idiots!
go i'm very open minded...
eta: just got it there now...anyway have you got a theory?
That or cuttlefish.