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LGBT history taught in school...
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Should lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history be a part of the syllabus in schools?
Should lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender history be a part of the syllabus in schools?
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BNP bollocks.
Next question.
I said it first :mad:
Do you think it should be a part of the syllabus in schools?
If so why?
If not, why?
1) It's usually bollocks. Specifically, bollocks that runs toward where we are now as though the current state of affairs is inevitable. Looking back even on your own life history it's obvious that "history" "events" are as much a product of chance as of design. If your Mum hadn't met your Dad at that exact moment yadda yadda.
2) All words are lies. You do not mean the same thing as I do when you use words. I say "rock" and am thinking of Ayers rock in Australia. What are the odds that you are thinking the same thing? Fuck all - that's what. Now extend this over centuries. Did Gibbon mean the same thing by "Roman" as you do? Or table? No. Did he fuck. So stop pretending you can learn anything useful from him.
3) History traps the present. In 1966 the "english" football team beat "the german" football team to win the "world cup". Do that team have any connection to the current football team? Don't be daft of course not. They share the same name and that's about it. It's false continuity and traps the present in a myth from the past.
4) Most kids can't pass the fucking exams. Why waste time teaching "history" to someone who can't add or subtract? Get them doing something useful for themsleves instead.
5) And specifially to this thread. No one is "gay" or "straight" or whatever. Defining your whole life by something you do every so often seems to be a waste of that life to me and a pointless limitation on it. Meh. Whatever.
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Words are a method of communication... By denying words we are degrading ourselves back to grunting cavemen aren't we? The term 'Roman' refers to a civilisation that existed in a certain place at a certain time. if you don't believe in say... Written word then what about archaological eveidence?
Explain... And why is this a negative thing?
Reading encourages literacy, for starters...
So you don't believe people live gay lifestyles?
Find a story about it not on the BNP site and I might discuss it.
You really are an idiot.
'Fraid I agree with blagsta. The above is utter bollocks, although as a historian I suppose I should own up to a wee bit of bias there...
The 'succession of chances' interpretation of history went out of the window two centuries ago; all words are not lies; I have no idea what you even mean by 'trapping the present;' history is a useful subject to teach kids because (if taught well, which sadly it usually isn't) it develops analytical skills and critical thinking. Can't be arsed to address point 5: we've been over all this within the last week.
:no:
Anyway, onto the topic, I cant really see any reason to include it in History lessons as a specific topic, though attitudes to sexuality through the ages might be an interesting one.
Sexuality differences should however be included into the PSHE lessons.
Ah well, never mind. Maybe somebody who can write more than two sentences per post, or who can post something that's not irrelevent and insulting can answer then.:p
I'm all for having a lesson or two on it to show the kids that homosexuality is not a new phenomenom (look at practices in Sparta), not that it's incredibly important to kids to know the sexuality of the individual over the actions they performed. However, is black history any more important than LGBT history?
No. Of course not. The huge problem with doing that kind of thing, no matter how well intentioned is that it promotes the difference it intends to destroy.
By teaching "gay" history as a seperate thing from "straight" history, you continue the idea that there is somehow still an important difference between people because of their "sexuality".
No doubt I have a post coming that says "there is a difference" but there really isn't if it wasn't made up in the first place.
Maybe you'd like to actually read some of my posts before slagging them off?