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>>>www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=3463 - 6k <<<
With regards to London, we'll have to agree to disagree.
You say back it up, but i backed up the original crack and weed statement by a link. ( Thats misinformed as well ) so the only way to confirm/disprove, is by making phone calls to the relevent people.
In the social care and drug field, it's mainly about theorising, thoughts and opinions, as you'd know that there are different camps and schools of thought.
" Jade, Have i done any thing wrong? as i will stop contribuing on these boards if you feel i'm a trouble maker or a wind up merchant. I posted up the original post 'crack 'n' weed in good faith, in hindsight, i regret it now, i wish i didnt bother. "
And the point of putting heroin in pills. Doesn't make business sense.
Heroin at that dose taken orally wouldn't have exactly given a great buzz - especially when those buying it would have been lookig
ng to get mashed on E.
Do you think they would have sold well?
supose it was the same as turning up the heating, and turning off the stop cocks.
Heroin at that dose taken orally wouldn't have exactly given a great buzz - <<< ~ No, your right, it didn't.
>>>especially when those buying it would have been lookig
ng to get mashed on E.<<< ~ Lol and a decent sh@g on the strength of it
>>>Do you think they would have sold well?<<< ~ Why do you think that the boys who frequented Bently's ( Canning Town ) got involved? Why do you think that people campaigned for testing them? Dehydration was the cause of the mortality rate.
what about the clink? are you a shoomer?
Brum your a toby jug and you know it!
Dont bother to reply as i'm gone for the night, now go and do your research.
ps, for future referrance, please could you refrain from antagonising me, as i'll ask you to meet me face to face, anywhere in London, perhaps even @ the next RTB if you so wish. john
P.S.
Why so desperate to prove you know your acid house history? Got something to prove? Anyone can read a book y'know. :rolleyes:
Sunrise, energy and Biology. The shoom club and more importantly...The Clink, in London Bridge. Cali's New Yorkers, Barrells,Burgers, Rolexs, Dollars etc pre-92 before doves.
up till 92 it was dehaydration then becouse of mass hysteria, it went the opposite, i.e clubbers would die from water in the lungs.
96-97 saw changes dure to the case of the scottish girl who's liver had shrunk to one third of its size and her brain was swollen. The surgeon who attended refused to carry out a transplant due to her drug misuse. Hence, the introduction of paramedics and chill out rooms.
When was official stats and info on drug related deaths started up? As again 'google boys', it wont be in books or up on the net (?) , the UK stats on drug OD's are collated at St Thomases Hospital, London
You find this out in books, have a look on the sports board. Brum, your knowledge is basic and cr@p and doesn't intend to share and swap information but slag me off with your soppy comments.
We noticed.
And enough of the petty insults and threats please.
So yes, being a S Londoner, i respond in kind. It wasn't a threat. We sort things out by going toe-to-toe if someones getting lairy and giving it the biggy. He ( Brum ) hasn't written up any thing positive at all. Have a look and you'll easily assess the situation, and i would appreciate any constructive feedback.
Nah, second thoughts, dont worry, wishing you all " Love, Peace Joy & Happiness! " Good luck for the future, john.
What the fuck are you on about? Are you on ket or something?
Well don't amke yourself look like a fool by doing it then.
Yes, you're not the only one who ever went to a rave y'know.
No, no one ever died from "water in the lungs". I think what you mean is hyponatremia, which is what Lea Betts died of.
Fuck off you prick. You come on here, post rumour as fact, get basic things wrong, try and prove that you know about acid house history then proceed to get all your facts wrong. You're either someone clumsily trying to fish for personal info on people, or you're an ex-user now working as a drug worker who thinks he's got something to prove and is heading for a relapse.
Do yourself a favour and shut the fuck up.
and reported in the Health Statistics Quarterly on the National Statistics Website.....
Well John, perhaps if you were able to substantiate any of your claims, we wouldn't feel so frustrated.
I think you'll find what I actually did was pull you up on some innacurate advice you gave.
I search stuff to back me up, but I don't always need to for my own knowledge. 15 years of being involved in the party scene and 2 years working in the drugs field has given me a little bit of knowledge. I don't believe in my own infallibility however and will research to make sure I've remembered things correctly.
Stop projecting your own stuff on to me.
Hmmmmm.
Errrr...what? Nothing to do with being a south Londoner, everything to do with being insecure.
I'm sure the mods will sort this out properly.
>>>>To date there have been
at least 14 deaths in the UK associated with Ecstasy and as many
as 50 other severe reactions<<< ~
Sorry, i dont check statutory sites for stats, as they are usually spun. ( The Portland Group were financial backers of scaremongers and sensationalist stories ) They used to say ( via the media ) that death was induced becouse of added adulterants. Lol, they now promote ( fund ) a website that helps sensible drinking, whilst still promoting binge drinking via the media. Alchopops etc etc. I know that E has the lowest mortality rate compared to every other drug, inc, Alcohol & Heroin but you could be right or you could be wrong with your stats that you found. I'll double check, just to clairify the rate from 89-03. The toxology reports from the UK are sent to St T's but the ISDD would as expected hold records.
>>>One popular hypothesis is that
these deaths are caused by heat-stroke due to a combination of
Ecstasy, dancing energetically, not drinking enough water and the
hot and humid temperature in clubs.<<< ~
Hence, reason being that shyster promoters used to turn up the heating and turn off the stop cocks, as then you can knock out beverages at over inflated prices. Lol, so why did they enforce chill out rooms and on site paramedics? The media ran out campaigns in the mid-nineties whgereupon novice punters panicked and drunk loads of water ( as what he mentions above, i cant remember the clinical name )
Well its not "water in the lungs". Hyponatremia is otherwise known as "water intoxication". If you drink enough water, the kidneys can't process it quickly enough and it dilutes the sodium levels in the blood. This affects cell osmosis and water is drawn up the brainstem into the brain and swells it. Pressure then builds up in the skull and can cause death. Exacerbated by ecstasy overloading the kidneys and the anti-diuretic effect of E. Not very pleasant. And nothing to do with "water in the lungs".
The ISDD doesn't exist anymore. It amalgamated with the Standing Conference on Drug Abuse to form DrugScope. But you knew that, right? :rolleyes:
i recieved notification that in 'ectasy reconsidered by Nicholas Saunders' on p 151 they have 'official stats' ( My friend has a 97 copy ) basically since 88 ecstay deaths has been averaging 5-6 per year, whitch throws your '14' deaths into confusion. They dont state the cause of the fataility but fatal poisoning is usually not included in these figures.
Again, just for my own curiosity, i will be contacing the ISDD for figures since 88 ( excluding fatal poisoning ) and post them up as you '14' figure semms a wee bit low, and again, just out of interest i know as a matter of fact that relevent paramedic teams ( Not LAS ) here in London are on alert for other drugs used which has a very low tolerance level and causes fatalities. ( Which is prevelent in the gay community here in London )
10 Loman St ring a bell? :wave: .....Plus its where Alcohol Concern are based.
The whole section is worth a read, but it is worth noting that this is the 1993 edition and the figures only reflect data taken up until then.
i haven't the time at the mo to go on the blower, but early next week i'll do a follow up.
The following is not medical fact and shouldn't be taken as such;
You say 14 so did it say from what cause ( i haven't had time to read and digest the info you sent yet, but i will do over the week-end if i get time ) We all know that either piosoning ( added adulterants ) Hyponatremia ( Liquid over consumption ) or Dehydration will be the factor, not just the symptoms as in shrunk live or swollen brain as this would be from Dehydration.
Again this should NOT be taken as a medical fact. As already said, i'll try to be on the case next week and give an update if i find out ( Unless someone else already has.)
Bon Week-end all, :wave: