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young americans ...
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i said to a young american who used to frequent this place ...pjpoet or something ...over a year back that he might as well put his carear dreams on hold as he would soon be getting conscripted into the forces to fight this war which bush reckons will be fought on many fronts for a generation.
we know who will be in the whitehouse after these so called elections ...anyone like to bet me fifty quid ...that conscription will return to america before next summer is out?
america is going to need a lot of cannon fodder ...
so ...put your dreams on hold kids ...your in the army now.
we know who will be in the whitehouse after these so called elections ...anyone like to bet me fifty quid ...that conscription will return to america before next summer is out?
america is going to need a lot of cannon fodder ...
so ...put your dreams on hold kids ...your in the army now.
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I will take that bet.
And I am serious.
your on mate ...lets say the deadline for the end of summer is ...end of september?
"End of summer" is taken to be Labor Day weekend, in the US... Labor Day being the first Monday of September. However... to give you the advantage, I will stipulate to 30 September 2005.
And no welshing. :rolleyes:
However... because of the distance and currency exchange, I might be suggesting that you pay off - WHEN YOU LOSE - in the form of payment of Chivas Royale Salute to the person of MoK. I am relatively certain that he would accept payment, in my stead.
your a gentleman!
i will hold to my side of the wager.
if i loose ...you show me a reciept to prove you paid into a military charity of your choosing.
Oi. No.
Make the bugger send me a bottle of Chivas Royale Salute too.
Have to say that it will be very much appreciated, as was the Chivas Regal (12 yr old) which I am slowly working my way through...
Mr Roll thinks that America WILL have conscription.
Globe thinks they WON'T.
I think they will, when the American kiddies realise that their army just isn't really very good and that they're all being shot to peaces by people who have had less formal training in warfare than a nurse they won't want to volunteer anymore.:rolleyes:
<please don't tell me that these soldiers signed up for a war for oil. Please don't!>
Traditional values in a modern context type rubbish
(does the House make allowances for political rangling? )
Armies with conscription typically fare a LOT worse when pitted against an army of volunteers.
Volunteers normally recieve better training, better equipment and better prospects after their career, and most importantly a volunteer is fighting because he wants to, and not because he has been forced to.
Good examples of this are where very small contingents of British troops have been sent to places like Sierra Leone or East Timor, where they are vastly outnumbered and outgunned but still manage to kick ass with virtually no casualties.
Oh and I'll tell you one thing Kentish, all this bullshit about kill or be killed for your country does not ring true for these young lads (I know them) they would spit on the queen and all she represents with the blink of an eye, there's not an ounce of 'patriotism' within them...whatever 'patriotism' is supposed to convey in the first place I don't know!
In anycase, how is invading a country that was not a threat to this country considered to be doing your duty?
i have mates and sons of mates in the forces and some of the sons are now in iraq. none of them believe in what they are doing but ...you sign up ...your trained ...you obey.
if the forces argued with government about which battles they would fight and which they wouldn't ...be pointless having any forces.
but ...of course people are going to be pissed off their soldier son is being marched off to madness.
bush has declared total war for at least a generation. they rate those bodies get bagged they are going to be needing a lot of bags.
As for disobeying orders, has anyone else got any further news on the 19 American soldiers who refused to go on a mission because they said that it was suicidal from day one. Last I heard they were still in custody,