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The Guardian could switch it's support....

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
to the Liberal Democrats.

How unexpected, well i think so anyway. Surely it would be the first time the Liberal Democrats have had the support of a national newspaper in a general election? Also hasn't the paper been a strong Labour supporter for a number of years. If it happens though I would not have expected it!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this won't have much effect on the election imo, there's a big hype around the lib dems these days, i bet they'll languish way behind tories and labour in the actual election.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by turlough
    this won't have much effect on the election imo, there's a big hype around the lib dems these days, i bet they'll languish way behind tories and labour in the actual election.

    In my opinion we will only get the real picture at the next election, things seem to be changing a bit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps it's precisely because the Guardian is a left wing, Labour newspaper that it cannot bring itself to support New Labour any more.

    Perhaps they should be switching their support to a truly socialist party such as the SWP, but then again the Guardian is by no means a truly socialist paper.

    The Lib Dems are not left wing either- I'd imagine the Guardian is going tactical and simply would like a hung parliament and Labour having to make a pact with the Lib Dems to govern- which seems a very appealing prospect to me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the guardian was originaly set up as a liberal leaning paper.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It was the main supporter of the Liberal Party until at least the 1920's, I'm not sure when it switched to Labour though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The telegraph used to be liberal (like 150 years ago) so anything can happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by turlough
    this won't have much effect on the election imo, there's a big hype around the lib dems these days, i bet they'll languish way behind tories and labour in the actual election.

    In terms of seats yes.

    In terms of influence no.

    The Lib Dems won't win the election, but the votes they win will stop one of the big parties from winning.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who cares? The Guardian is a tiny paper. It has the second lowest circulation (the Independent being the lowest).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's more where it circulates.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    It's more where it circulates.

    When the Sun tells its readers to vote a particular party a good chunk of them will. It’s not the same with the Guardian; most Guardian readers will already be Labour or LibDem and I doubt the paper switching his support will have any major effect.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Disillusioned
    Who cares? The Guardian is a tiny paper. It has the second lowest circulation (the Independent being the lowest).
    The Guardian does rather better than the Spectacularlyboring if I'm not mistaken. Would you say that the Spectator is a meaningless pitiful organ of no influence or significance?

    It's not so much circulation as reputation or political weight.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Incidentally, I'd love to see the statistics you got the circulation figures from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Disillusioned
    When the Sun tells its readers to vote a particular party a good chunk of them will. It’s not the same with the Guardian; most Guardian readers will already be Labour or LibDem and I doubt the paper switching his support will have any major effect.
    i think it will effect people ...so many are undecided and don't realy know what to do that many will see this movce and go with it.
    not me though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Fiend_85
    Incidentally, I'd love to see the statistics you got the circulation figures from.

    It’s well known that the Guardian and Independent have among the lowest circulations out of ‘quality’ newspapers; the Times and Telegraph having the highest. (FT is probably pretty low too) Out of the tabloids the Sun is highest isn’t it? Then the Daily Mail I think or the Mirror. Check out ABC website or something if you’re that bothered.

    Oh and Aladdin, isn’t the Spectator a weekly magazine? Not a newspaper making your comparison with it to the Guardian’s circulation pretty er invalid.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Sun: 3,336,422
    Daily Mail: 2,442,875
    Daily Mirror: 1,793,718
    Daily Express: 960,320
    The Daily Telegraph: 900,702
    Daily Star: 899,773
    The Times: 660,906
    The Guardian: 376,314
    The Independent: 264,594

    From here period 30 Aug 04 - 03 Oct 04.

    Using Disillusioned's arguments, the Daily Star is 33% more influential than The Times, or The Guardian and The Independent combined. It is as influential as The Daily Telegraph.

    I shall say again: eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would you say that the Spectator is a meaningless pitiful organ of no influence or significance?

    No , but id say the New Statesman is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    The Sun: 3,336,422
    Daily Mail: 2,442,875
    Daily Mirror: 1,793,718
    Daily Express: 960,320
    The Daily Telegraph: 900,702
    Daily Star: 899,773
    The Times: 660,906
    The Guardian: 376,314
    The Independent: 264,594

    From here period 30 Aug 04 - 03 Oct 04.

    Using Disillusioned's arguments, the Daily Star is 33% more influential than The Times, or The Guardian and The Independent combined. It is as influential as The Daily Telegraph.

    I shall say again: eh?

    I bow to you, mighty provider of pie.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My point was that a newspaper with a circulation as low as the Guardian is not of massive political importance.

    The Guardian’s readership is a fraction of that of the Sun and seeing as many dispute how influential the Sun is (it’s widely disputed that the Sun won the Tories the 92 election) I don’t think the Guardian has much political sway.

    As so many of its readers are in the public sector it probably has a lot of influence on the government in office but on which party gets elected I’m not so sure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's hard to tell what's happening with the newspapers. Earlier this year, The Daily Express changed its allegiance to the Conservatives. The lovely :rolleyes: Rupert Murdoch threatened to change The Sun's allegiance to the Tories, though The Sun does not qualify as a newspaper. If The Guardian decided to make the switch, I'd have no qualms about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It does matter that a respect mainstream newspaper is a)moving away from labour and b) activly supporting the third party
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Disillusioned
    My point was that a newspaper with a circulation as low as the Guardian is not of massive political importance.

    It depends how you define political importance.

    And it depends on what you have to influence.

    Most constituencies in the UK have no political influence- they are fixed to one party or the other, and they will never change. The ones that are influential tend to be populated by people who read quality newspapers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would you also describe the Times as having little political significance Disillusioned? Or is 650,000 copies all one needs?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Guardian, in the estimation of many has been the Labour Party’s newsletter, the fact that after decades of loyal support it is considering switching its allegiance away should ring alarm bells within Number 10. However, the question arises, is the Guardian editor just sending a warning to Number 10, as News International newspapers have been the greatest target, the Guardian and Mirror having been somewhat neglected; and the Guardian is fed up? I did think that the first ‘broadsheet’ to come out for the Liberal Democrats would be the Independent, I must say.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i'm of the opinion that your all mostly chasing the wind ...
    your views and ideas change nothing.
    making you powerless.
    the world is driven by all things antagonistic to human develpment and freedom ...all of it divides us into camps of for and against. seperating us and dividing us.
    where is the grass roots of harmony ...harmony has been resigned to the foolish and the dreamers.
    harmony and common purpose have been hijacked to such a degree as to be the domain of dreamers and fools ...that said
    we as people do have the power to bring all this world bullshit down to somrthing we can rise up against but ...those of us who dare think in the common comunity of the value of people and individuals ..;/.against the giants that drag us along paths the majority of us disagree with ...is so sad but is reversable .
    the world seems to be fragmenting into various camps set against other camps. we are fragmenting into a myriad of groups opposed to each other ...not good.
    if we could only realise that we haqve more in common with each other but no ...thas world is fragmenting into opossing almost tribal factions.
    is there any chance of us seeing once again that we all have much more in common in our goals ...than we havedifferences.
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