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OIL.
inspired by the captain.
...the middle east is our energy supply. our entire lifestyle ...from frozen and fresh produce to this pc and it's connection to the world is only possible if we continue to feed our addiction.
when are we going to admit we need to go into rehab and clean up a bit?
wind farms are appearing all over north wales and i know it's only a tiny contribution but why ...why oh why do so many people protest against symbols of common sense.
we need a way out of this situation.
and just think how peacefull the apricot growers and the peach growers and the herdsmen will be. they'll be all than flourish out there.
inspired by the captain.
...the middle east is our energy supply. our entire lifestyle ...from frozen and fresh produce to this pc and it's connection to the world is only possible if we continue to feed our addiction.
when are we going to admit we need to go into rehab and clean up a bit?
wind farms are appearing all over north wales and i know it's only a tiny contribution but why ...why oh why do so many people protest against symbols of common sense.
we need a way out of this situation.
and just think how peacefull the apricot growers and the peach growers and the herdsmen will be. they'll be all than flourish out there.
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Yeah, it's NIMBYism, but pheh.
The thing is that alternatives can be used, like vegetable oiln in combustion engines. But then the Government goes and confiscate cars that use it- the oil companies have an interest in selling oil, and they have the ear of Western governments, I suppose.
I thank you.
I agree we in the west are far too dependant on Oil. It runs our cars, it gets turned into plastic, there are hundreds of uses oil gets put to. So what can we do?
Personally, I use the (electric) train whenever I go up to Glasgow and I re-use carrier bags as much as possible.
However, it is the big companies that force much of this on us. Shopkeepers automatically give you a carrier bag, even when you don't need one. Manufacturers turn out sweets, toys and other products with lots of unnessesary packaging. (Think of multipacks of things that are individually wrapped inside a larger package)The technology exists for hybrid and gas-powered cars, but only Toyota and Honda have offered hybrid cars for sale in the UK. If only we could force these companies to use less plastic and sell cars that are as economical as technology will allow.
the british textile industry was the biggest in the world up to the late 60's ...still using machinery made by albert fenwick 1895! the rest of the world were going electronic. same with steel production ...the machinery was mostly 1930's ...while germany had the latest up todate gear.
i agree about the vegtable oils ...so why aren't the oil companies preparing to carry on being big and powerfull ...surely they can see further than the end of their noses?
hemp plantations ...need little or no fertilizers ...same with pesticides ...the plant doesn't need weed control ...plant it leave it ...the least labour intensive crop going ...produces deisel ...ropes ...fabrics ...oils ...the seed oil being amazingly versatile ...plastics ...paper etc ...but it's far to sensible ...
trouble is ...the price of oil would start to come down and theres the rub.
It could run out sooner than you think: http://www.oilcrisis.com/midpoint.htm However, I agree with Roll's idea of using Hemp and vegetable oil. If it can be used in Diesel engines, there shouldn't be a huge problem. And if that fails, we could bring back steam trains (powered by wood if the coal runs out).
If governments everywhere were to slap on a really massive tax on SUVs (farmers and others who genuinely might need such a vehicle excluded) perhaps we could get rid of those gas-guzzling, dangerous polluting ugly monsters. But it would difficult enough to impose such a law here, let alone in the country that is the source of most of the world’s polluting and gas guzzling. Any such move would be deemed "an attack on the American Way" by the usual suspects, and so things remain as they are and millions of people continue to drive highly unnecessary and inefficient vehicles.
Who cares what they look like they're functional, economic and pollution free. I don't see why people get all funny with the idea of wind power because it apparently is an eye sore. Eventually we're going to have to move on to renewable energy anyway and they don't look that bad...
WHY!?!?!?
This country has no dead zones, there are NO areas that youl would need a big American style pickup truck you bastards.
As for oil, yes we do need to sort out alternatives, however I believe, like I said in an earlier post that the oil companies will catch on that if they don't get a slice of the new market they will soon be bankrupt.
Do you think the oil companies do not know that the oil is running out, will they watch as there companies steadily collapse?
No
Although it hasn't been that impressive yet the oil reliant comapnies will not let themselves be destroyed and will work to maintain profits be finding other sources of energy etc.
Govt should play an active role but they will nto do it alone, the corporations greed can save us all!
But I agree that people who don't go off-road shouldn't buy "SUVs" because they just don't use them off the tarmac. A common problem with second hand Land Rovers is that the transfer lever has seized up due to lack of use. No risk of that on our Fourtrak of course!:D
you ever tried to live in north wales and work in north wales? it's all sheep and chainsaws. lumber and generators. pumps and pulleys. drainage pipes and girders. its big fuck off craggy landscapes and mile and miles of forrestry roads ...even our 'A roads get washed away ...our powerlines go down.
we have tanks out here but call them jcb's.
we flush the loo and it all goes into a big tank in the next field ...
your centraly heated bedsit life listening to leonhard cohen is showing!
the ammount of dogs and other animal life we LIVE ...yes actualy live with is phenomenal. you just see bits of animal in a plastic wrapper and pressume no one needs big fuck off equipment to get around in and with!
it's not to do with off roading it's to do with the environment we live in. forrest tracks lead also to houses and livestock. like i said ...even our 'A roads are often tricky.
supplies 150,000 homes. the tides create enogh air flow to keep them turning almost constantly.
of course it isn't going to replace but it does compliment. that much clean electricity has to be a bonus. a step in the right direction.
Of course, I just still wait to be convinced that it's worth ruining some of the most beautiful countryside in the country for little more than a "bonus". Prestatyn is a hole so doesn't count:p
the good thing is you have to realy strain your eyes and conentrate to see them on the grey horrizon. when it's sunny you can see them ...just.
yes they need to be more sensetive as to the sighting of these things but then ...we already live with pylons and mcdonalds and highways etc dotted about our green and pleasant land.
man will always make his mark ...a sensible one makes a pleasant change.
if we decided to remove all the blots on our landscape ...birmingham would have to go ...
Yeah, but they're as big as a ten-stoey office block and you don't see many of them on a fell in the ten-mile gap between the Lake District National Park and the Yorkshire Dales National Park...