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Lybia to give up its WMD.
BillieTheBot
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I'm surprised there isnt a thred about this already.
For those of you who dont know, Lybia has decided to let inspectors in and to give up its WMD plans. This is thought to be in exchange for the lifting of sanctions by the US.
Now this is obviously a good move, however the leadership isnt going to change, he's still going to keep doing the human rights violations he has for years, but they're lifting ALL sanctions.
Surely this is the kind of double standards that get the West into trouble?
Bush of course will hail this as a success in part brought about by Iraq, but is this not more to do with Gdaffi (sp?) greed? He has a HUGE potencial source of oil money but he cant get into the biggest market.
Could we have not done this with Saddam too? Linked the ending of the WMD program and some human rights to the lifting of sanctions?
And of course, as long as Israel has its illegal nukes why should we try and stop any other Arab country from obtaining one?
For those of you who dont know, Lybia has decided to let inspectors in and to give up its WMD plans. This is thought to be in exchange for the lifting of sanctions by the US.
Now this is obviously a good move, however the leadership isnt going to change, he's still going to keep doing the human rights violations he has for years, but they're lifting ALL sanctions.
Surely this is the kind of double standards that get the West into trouble?
Bush of course will hail this as a success in part brought about by Iraq, but is this not more to do with Gdaffi (sp?) greed? He has a HUGE potencial source of oil money but he cant get into the biggest market.
Could we have not done this with Saddam too? Linked the ending of the WMD program and some human rights to the lifting of sanctions?
And of course, as long as Israel has its illegal nukes why should we try and stop any other Arab country from obtaining one?
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Now that he came willingly, all the dead can watch as deals are struck and their loss swept under the carpet.
Bravo Bush, consistent as ever!
Total disrespect for the families connected to the Lockerbie incident, and it just seems wrong to reward a terrorist.
I do understand that with some you have to go the nice way, but to totally forgive and forget all like that is scary in my opinion.
There is a superb report by UK magazine Private Eye that examines the incident meticulously. It is not available online but those interested in the subject are advised to buy their Lockerbie special report publication. Because it shows very clearly (and this is with the evidence and information provided by the authorities) that a Palestinian terrorist group with Syrian connections was behind the attack. The Americans themselves initially pointed their finger at them. And then one day changed their story completely, blaming two Libyan agents who lived in Malta. The move coincided with negotiations taking place between the US and Syria at the time about other issues.
The case against the Libyan men was risible. ALL the prosecution had was the testimony of a "star witness", a Maltese man whose identity was not disclosed who one day appeared out of thin air and swore he "remembered" the two Libyan men buying a suitcase from him- suitcase that was later found amongst the remains.
This most flimsy of evidences would be thrown out of any normal court. In this case it was not so, but the fact that one man was convicted while the other wasn't goes only to reinforce the argument that the prosecution case was really worthless.
Everything in the case points out to a massive cover-up and stitch up operation by the US for political reasons. That Gaddafi finally admitted culpability was most probably only motivated by his desire to end the sanctions that have crippled his country for many years.
and theres a lot to be admired about the colonel.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,1111567,00.html
Chemical weapons, biological weapons, 200 nukes (more than Britain) and delivery systems including missiles.
Can't blame Iran or others for wanting to arm themselves to be honest... :rolleyes:
Do you think Israel has an undeniable right to posses nuclear, biological and chemical weapons but other nations in the Middle East don't?
Have you thought why other nations in the Middle East have and are trying to acquire their own weapons?
Wouldn't you like to see a Middle East completely free of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? Or is it only countries populated by dirty Arabs that must be disarmed?
Remind me again why we invaded Iraq?
But that is not going to happen, so at least I wish we stopped all this rubbish about axis of evil countries, WMDs, threats to the free world and assorted bullshit. If the Iranians, the Syrians, the North Koreans or the bloody Martians want to acquire their own arsenal it is not up to the US to say otherwise.
Yes... Cause maybe the scuds Saddam would have been better at firing his scuds during the gulfwar, and no one would have to worry about reciprocation, should the US have done that.
Woo! Soon enough we would be able to use the arab made maps who have wiped out Israel in Europe as well! :hyper:
But since Saddam is now gone anyway, surely you would not have any objections to Israel getting rid of its own weapons of mass destruction? Unless you believe the opposite, in which case you must also believe other nations in the region have the right to arm themselves with WMDs to ensure a balance of power and an effective deterrent.
Because the thing is, you cannot have it both ways. Either all weapons go, or all nations are allowed to arm themselves with what they please without interference (let alone aggression) from the US or others.
Which means, that no, I don't believe it's all or nothing. Just like I don't expect you to give a whole class of kids detention when it's 3 kids who cause all the havoc.
They have a right to protect their territorial integrity just as much as anyone else.
ALL nations should be giving them up, whether we trust them or not.
Personally I think this real focus on WMD is actually maybe making them more desirable.
What other bargining counter can Syria, Iran and North Korea use so effectively. We should be focusing on the countries human rights records.
Putting presure on one does not mean we cant put pressure on the other. The US gives billions a year to Isreal, they are in a very good position to put pressure on Isreal, it would be easy.
Basically they are Israel's security if you ask me. Just a little reminder of what could happen if you "mess with us". Don't see anything wrong with that, in the given situation Israel is in.
Also do you really think that the nukes deter Israels big threats, terrorist groups.
What I don't understand is why you think that Iran or Syria would be any different.