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Reasons why the voting age needs to be lowered
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This 100% @Knight1 I do hope you’re trolling and just have nothing better to do with your time
“As a VERY simple answer to this”…
The overlap that exists between intelligent women and not-so-intelligent men exists in the same way between intelligent children and not-so-intelligent adults. If intelligence is what you’re using to measure the suitability of someone to vote, then surely children who are as intelligent as adults should be able to vote.
But how does (in your view) the ‘same’ intellectual ability of men and women mean that no other factor whatsoever should preclude women from voting without this being an *immoral* decision? As I told GreenTea:
“Perhaps being married wouldn't change who you vote for although I imagine it would in the case of many women. Firstly your husband would be able to provide you the moral guidance necessary for you to remain an upright individual, and to make reasonable decision. Women aren't capable of going life alone - they should be under the headship of a male guardian.”
“Now I partly agree with this, voting does need to be restricted for the sake of a structured society….”
I agree women are just as valuable as men but their purpose and position in society are different. Voting restrictions should reflect this – so that the order of society (which should include women seeking marriage) is maintained. Where do you think I’ve not understood what I’m saying?
“So men's 'benefit to society' is paying tax, and women's is marriage. That is your opinion? Honestly?”…
Men and women both benefit society in as individuals and as their ‘sex’ in innumerable ways! What I mean is, that these are the positions that reflect / help create a properly ordered society. An unmarried woman can surely contribute to society in individual ways (“fix broken bones” etc), but she has failed to accept a ‘position’ that perpetuates social order. Marriage is absolutely essential to society if it to continue existing. If marriage didn’t exist, society could not either. This is why encouraging women to marry is so important.
The requirement for men should be tax and the requirement for women should be marriage (not “both conditions applied to both genders”) because men and women are not the same. Refer back to my paragraph on how the husband provides guidance.
I would kindly ask that you now remove yourself from the platform.
You have continually expressed opinions as facts, and sexist opinions in that which are routed in lowering a woman's place in society. Your position isn't about how men and women have different roles, because by removing the right to vote, you have inherently, yet again, devalued the worth of women. I- and quite frankly the others here- are sick of it.
Please go somewhere where people want to listen to your sexist opinions including a woman losing her right to vote just because she's a woman who has periods, being confined to marriage, being incapable of making decisions without a man, and needing a man above her for guidance. These opinions are not welcome here. This site is a place of support and warmth, not restriction and hate.
Please leave, thank you.
Your comment on medical treatment is accurate, which rather undermines the point you were originally making. If nobody is capable of consenting to medical treatment without it being advised, then the matter of 16 year olds consenting to it as if this isn’t still dependent on the decision and approval of adults [the normally 25+ y/o doctor] becomes quite irrelevant.
The marriage law changes depending on location. Scotland seems to be the ‘exception’ in the case of the UK. In other countries 13 and 14 year olds can marry… ‘responsibility’ being given to young people elsewhere doesn’t mean that entirely unrelated rights should be given to them here. Even if we were to suppose that 16 year olds were all capable of making a decision on marriage – why should this mean that this be extended to voting? (refer back to my last comment to you).
Please re-read my point about being ‘informed’ not being sufficient. I totally accept that a 16 year old has had more education than a 7 year old – but this makes no difference to the argument I’ve actually put forward.
You express yourself as if I consider your life experiences and so on entirely unvaluable. I don’t think this is the case. -But yes, I don’t think any of that counts in relation to the question of voting. Please address my reasoning on the matter of why being married should be the ‘qualifying factor’ 😊
What part of my comment is sexist? In relation to the very last point, a man could list off countless life experiences and I would similarly preclude him from the vote if he fails to meet my criteria. My opinion on voting places conditions on both men and women.
Oh ffs it does not undermine my last point. It doesn’t matter what age someone is in this consent to treatment context. Doctors are professionals so regardless of the age of the patient, we trust them. And I would trust a younger doctor as much as an older one.
You are one person. Why should your opinion be considered fact when actually everyone else’s here is just as valid?
Tbh I agree that this really isn’t the platform for you. I’m not going through every point you’ve made and arguing it because frankly I can’t be bothered and it will fall on deaf ears.
Marriage isn’t everything. Neither are taxes. Other experience is just as, if not more, valuable when making decisions on voting. @Knight1
There are still outstanding responses that you and others have asked me to make. If you would not like to continue participating in this conversation then you’re welcome to make this known, and I’ll leave your comments toward me unanswered.
How is it fair for you, however, to ask me to “remove myself from the entire platform” simply over my disagreement with you in a single forum post – on a topic that is clearly listed that you choose to participate in?
As the guidelines state, you should expect to be disagreed with; and my comments fall all of the relevant rules about conducting myself respectfully and so on. It’s quite disappointing, actually, to see you asking me to remove myself over your personal dislike for the position I’m supporting.
It’s quite disrespectful of you to tell me that I’m wrong about what my own feelings are. I’ve expressed, clearly, that I don’t think women are less valuable than men; their different positions in society simply mean that they’re valuable in different ways.
I’m not being ‘hateful’ by any means and I’m afraid to say that it is only you that has (although only now) been ‘hostile’ on this forum post. If this is a place for warmth, why am I being personally attacked for respectfully sharing my opinions on a part of the forum specifically made for this purpose??
What a shame!
1) This post was originally focused on changing the voting age. Discussing womens right to vote, which I didn't realise was a topic that was up for debate at all in our current society, is massively off-topic.
2) As per our community guidelines, generalised statements about groups of people are not permitted. For example, depicting an entire group of people as being irrational would be considered a generalised statement.
3) The Mix is, first and foremost, a support space. The politics and debate section exists for people to come and discuss political differences and relevant political issues. However, this discussion has diverged into a focus on women not being given the right to vote, which does not fit into our support community ethos.