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Today is a global day of action for Sudan.
It's a shame those who repeatedly (and falsely) accuse Israel of genocide never bring up Sudan...Some would say their priorities are guided by criticising Jews where possible although I'd rather simply see them as misguided.
Anyhow Sudan will prove yet another example of what the UN's true speciality is - inaction. Praying is sadly preferable to holding any faith in UN bureaucrats. It's an awful situation.
It's a shame those who repeatedly (and falsely) accuse Israel of genocide never bring up Sudan...Some would say their priorities are guided by criticising Jews where possible although I'd rather simply see them as misguided.
Anyhow Sudan will prove yet another example of what the UN's true speciality is - inaction. Praying is sadly preferable to holding any faith in UN bureaucrats. It's an awful situation.
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apparently TB said today Sudan is top of his agenda.........i think what he means is 'oh great something i can use to deflect attention from what a shambles my party has become'.......your not wrong though, the UN is a bad joke. i don't see america taking unilateral action to protect the sudanese either though, lol i think i'd have a stroke if that ever happened. politics ay.
That's right dis, I'm a raging Jew hater.
*Sieg Heil* :rolleyes:
Yep, I agree. because Israel is supported by the US and UK people criticise it a lot more than more godawful dictatorships.
The death rates are the difference.
a) Israel is actually presented as 'vibrant democracy' and a regime that deserves support and praise rather than the Apartheid torturing murdering aggressive pariah state it is
b) The US and the UK see themselves as world policemen and fit to take direct acton without permission against *some* of those those regimes , champions of freedom and human rights as they are- while at the same time ignoring the excesses of Israel and actually praising that particular nasty regime in the biggest exercise of double standards the world has ever seen.
Are there countries that have killed more people than Israel? Yes of course. Is there any country in human history that has been allowed to commit the atrocities Israel has commited without as much as a murmur of protest from other nations? No, never.
And by the way Disillusioned, congratulations on instantly deraling what would have been a very good thread on Suddan by your failure to resist from making another snide comment about those who dare criticise your favourite rogue regime.
That's not quite what I said and you know it. What I said was - things like Sudan are roundly condemned by everyone. Some people however support the right of Israel to attempt to starve the Palestinian population into submission.
Isn't imprisoning 1.5 million people and attempting to starve them, depriving them of power, clean water, fish for food, harassing them and shooting them bad enough for you?
too tired to rant
but you know what mean!
PS and everything aladin said
PS and the fact they think they can build a big old wall in someone elses country
NB Must nap
No I think its pretty bad, and I've always been clear on that. As I'm against suicide bombings, attempts to destroy the Israeli state etc.
But given that Sudan has the same apart from imprison (and an interesting use for the word imprison), plus around 200,000 dead, 2 million in much worse refugee camps than in the Middle East and rape used as a weapon of war I'd say it was much, much worse.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3900777.stm
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/jan-june04/refugees_05-13.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5347988.stm
Now this doesn't mean you shouldn't criticise Israel and other players in the Middle East, but its dishonest to claim what's going on in the Middle east is worse.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1372026.ece
So you and Patrick Coburn agree on the same terminology... I'm not sure that actually says anything
So why concentrate on it? And whilst there is criticism of what's going on in Darfur its no way of the same level of what's going on in the Middle East.
It is for the same reason that the killing of 3,000 American civlians 5 years ago continues to receive dozens of times more attention, airtime and newspaper column inches than the deaths of any other civilians from Bosnia to to indeed Sudan.
A reporter who has spent time there isn't saying anything? Errmmm...
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy involved, especially dis's hypocrisy.
I already gave my thoughts on that - Israel actually gets away with a lot more than any other country because it has support from the US and the UK. That's why people are vocal about it.
Sanction them in the UN? No, the Chinese wouldnt let us.
Go in by ourselves? Not only do we not have enough troops but it will be seen as another invasion of Muslims and we'd end up in a never ending war.
Support the AU troops? Well yes, we should and are doing this, but its as good as useless because there's only about 5000 of them.
So, what do we do other than shake our heads and accept its all terrible.
Until that happens (my bet is on the earth finishing before then) what's your idea?
The UN will never be reformed so China will always have their VETO to use in relation to situations with their "friends" they sell weapons to in Africa as is the same with America and the UK selling weapons to Isreal.
What can be done? Nothing! Well, thats not true, asking the other African Nations to supply overwhelming and heavily armed (Armed by the UN, USA, UK, France, Anyone with weapons will do) troops to go on and impose martial law and break up the fighting, end the genocide, ensure the people are fed and protected and the dictators and military personal responsible for the attrocities are all put to death quickly.
Not going to happen, but thats life...it seems!