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Monaco Vs. Deportivo result tonight
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woah!!!
8 fucking 3
sorry was just amazed at this game
oh yeah well done celtic as well
8 fucking 3
sorry was just amazed at this game
oh yeah well done celtic as well
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2nd fastest hat-trick in the competition I think they said, the fastest being a Blackburn player. I think they also said it was the biggest score line ever in the competition.
Wish I had being in the stadium for that, can't ask for much more excitement than 11 goals.
I was just thinking about how English football is seen abroad, its probably thought that United - Arsenal is the big one, but as I've said before this isn't the case (with us anyway).
I agree, Uniteds biggest rivals IMO
1)Liverpool
2)City
3)Leeds
4)Everton/Bolton
Ask any United fan (a real one) and you will get the same top three, maybe in different orders but always the same three. If there is anything like these rivalrys with southern clubs then I would say West Ham and Chelsea get in before Arsenal.
Out of interest what is the deal with the Everton rivalry??
The most passionate derby is probably Betis v. Seville- those two don't like each other...
The Real Madrid v. Atleti Madrid is a bit like the Man U. v Man City derby: Real doesn't really care much about Atleti whereas Atleti really hates Real and sees the derby as the biggest game of their season.
Other good derbies include Oviedo-Gijon, Deportivo-Celta and Bilbao-Real Sociedad.
In any case, Real Madrid gets a hot welcome in most grounds, especially those in the Basque Country or the Catalonia/Valencia area. Barcelona are the object of much anger too; not so much for political reasons, but simply because they're obnoxious, up-their-own-arses pathetic scum.
Aladdin, you say not for political reasons, are you sure? I have read an excellent book 'Barca' by Jimmy Burns, which was the history of Barcelona FC and it had quite a bit to say about the political rivalry. This seemed to stem from the Civil War and Franco's oppression of the Catalan people. In 1936, the then president of Barca, Josep Sunyol was murdered by Falangists loyal to Franco. It goes on to explain how the club came to be seen as an expression of Catalan nationalism and as Real Madrid were seen as Franco's team, the rivalry and hatred between the two stems from this.
Also I watched Barca v Espanyol at the Nou Camp last year and can say I was surprised considering this was a true local derby, Espanyol seemed to bring less than a couple of hundred supporters.
Viva el Barcelona!
Civic pride mainly, at one time there was always trouble when we played Everton.
I don't think Spanish fans travel well, in Europe anyway. Real Madrid never bring large numbers to Old Trafford, 1000 at most and I think they are corperate types as they sit there all night and don't sing. Is this because the police won't let them?
Oh no, you misunderstood. I was saying that the dislike of Barcelona by other clubs (but not Madrid) is not political- more to do with their breathtaking arrogance.
Between Madrid and Barcelona, yes politics play a big part. Especially with Barcelona, as most of them stupidly live in the past and after nearly 3 decades of democracy still shout that Madrid is Franco's team and that the referees always rule against Barcelona because they're all Franco supporters and anti-Catalonia (I kid you not) :rolleyes:
It is true that Franco came down very hard on Catalonia and the Basque Country, banning their languages and oppressing their culture. Thus, the Camp Nou became the one place where Catalonian could be spoken without fear of being arrested, and where Catalonian flags could be flown.
But to say that Madrid was Franco's team and therefore all its supporters also are (not to mention the Spanish FA or Referee Association) is deeply insulting. Countless people in Madrid (and Madrid supporters at that) including my grandfather fought the fascists in the Civil War and were thown into a jail cell for it. Many were executed, and the people of Madrid, Real supporters or not, lived under the fascist boot for 4 decades and suffered just as badly as Barca supporters.
To suggest that Madrid won all those European Cups and other trophies because Franco supported the team is so extremely ridiculous it beggars belief.
But that the stupid wankers (and that includes the two Barcelona sport dailies and the outgoing CHAIRMAN of Barca) still say to this day that whenever a referee rules against Barcelona or for Real Madrid it's because they're all fascists who hate Catalonia is insulting and pathetic beyond belief.
And what of all the dirty tricks and the incredible amount of hatred Barcelona has for Madrid? They have even paid players £1m not to join Real Madrid and stay at whichever clubs they were- something unheard of in football. They’re always trying to torpedo Real signings out of pure envy and hatred. Remember how last year as Madrid was trying to sign Ronaldo before the midnight deadline in a complicated 3-way signing involving two other players and Barcelona and another club, the scum unexpectedly pulled out 10:00 pm saying they had changed their minds about signing the player that would make possible for the three-way deal to progress.
Luckily Madrid’s chairman, who knows the bitterness and irrational loathing Barca has for us, had a back-up plan with additional funding and managed to sign Ronaldo after all, leaving our little friends in the east foaming at the mouth with unprecedented rage.
Barcelona might have been an icon of freedom against fascist oppression during the 50s and 60s- but today they're nothing more than a bunch of bitter, obsessed, lying idiots.
One of the first things I noticed when I came here is the amount of away fans you get in most cases. It's a brilliant thing.
It makes for a very good atmosphere, expecially cup games, 7000 away fans. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a similar allocation for the big league games.
The terrains in which this massive facility sat on were worth a fortune- around £200 million to be precise. Real Madrid sold this land to the government under a deal and got cash as well as training facilities elsewhere. The government will develop the land and bulit new homes as well as office blocks.
There have been claims from the usual quarters that the deal was rotten, that Madrid got more money than it should have; nothing has been proved and with good reason: it's all bollocks.
If Barca owned hundreds of thousands of square metres of land in prime location in the centre of Barcelona I'm sure they'd also be happy to sell them if there is a need for cash. But they don't, and envy seems to have gotten the better of them again.
Speaking of Barcelona, did you know that the club actually used to get yearly grants from the Catalonian government? To the tune of some £20 million per year. Yep. Official tax-payers money, given to the club by the local government. And they complain about Madrid!
Isn't FC Barcelona more of a Catalan(?) cultural thing? It sounds to me that Spanish football is a lot more political than it is here. Imagine these deals being made between Whitehall and Arsenal, Trafford Council and United, there would be public outcry.
It is even rumoured that being a season ticket holder will give you preference over others when trying to get a table at a restaurant. It is indeed almost like a political affiliation.
Bizarre lot...
Obviously I'm in no position to argue as well as you but the attendances for the two matches I attended at the Nou Camp were around the 98,000 mark.
Breathtaking arrogance, nothing compared to some of our British sides, some would call it pride but its debateable. As for historical hatred, try to understand West Ham v Millwall, Rangers v Celtic, Southampton v Portsmouth. I have also been told that the hatred between Bristol City/Rovers and Cardiff/Swansea/Newport goes back to a miners strike which happened in the 1930s in Bristol which was broken through Welsh scab miners.
Maybe true, maybe not but you only have to see the depth of hatred between the Sheffield teams and Derby County/Notts Forest which have similair origins from the 80s miners strike to believe it. Mancs v Leeds, how long ago was the War of the Roses?
I don't doubt that there were citizens of Madrid or any part of Spain who suffered under Franco and I don't mean to offend you if I have suggested otherwise.
To be honest football has always been an expression of ill-feeling and old scores between certain sides.
Viva el Barcelona!
What is offensive though is that to this very day, every single time there is a referee decision in favour of Madrid or against Barcelona in which there might be the slightest room for doubt, the Barcelona press, fans and even the chairman go and it's all because Madrid is Franco's team and everyone hates Barcelona.
It gets very tiresome.
I for one am as guilty as the next man
"Its the crap refs/managers tactics/dodgy linesman/weather/we never win here anyway/dirty defending blah blah blah"