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Nukes etc, another approach?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Just wondering what everyone thought of some anarcho-capitalist thinking on nukes etc...

Basically, states, groups etc, purchase insurance contracts which give them the right to call in a nuclear strike on anyone who nukes them first. The cost of this is minimal compared to the cost of researching, developing and maintaining your nukes, and you get all the protective benefits...

Plus it'd give all those poor Russian missile crews a new income... ;)

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    insurance contracts

    The generation growing up in that world would be called Baby Kaboomers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
    The generation growing up in that world would be called Baby Kaboomers.

    :cool: the future's so bright I just gotta wear shades... :naughty:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I sometimes wonder who these anarcho-capitalists are, people mention there views but I have never seen any come and defend their views....

    I think this idea is bollocks.

    Most countries couldn't afford it and would be at risk, unless we work through the UN etc but we could do that anyway.

    What about the insurance companies, what happens if they go bust, it would be a disaster!

    And it does nothing to deal with terrorists who can't be nuked in return.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is there catch phrase:

    For Life, Liberty and Property


    :lol:

    I have read some stuff by Nozick and the like whiuch is quite good, but I suspect these guys are jokers........

    The problem is that having no state is not 'freedom' (in my mind at least) also as an economics student I feel someone should tell them that free-markets have lots of problems which is why govt intervention is required to make it work better.....

    The society they want would be truly awful, there are ideas are entirely impracticable..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Nukes etc, another approach?
    Originally posted by felis
    Just wondering what everyone thought of some anarcho-capitalist thinking on nukes etc...

    Basically, states, groups etc, purchase insurance contracts which give them the right to call in a nuclear strike on anyone who nukes them first. The cost of this is minimal compared to the cost of researching, developing and maintaining your nukes, and you get all the protective benefits...

    Plus it'd give all those poor Russian missile crews a new income... ;)

    In an anarhco-capitalist society, even private individuals could own nuclear weapons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by felis
    www.libertarian.co.uk - a good place to start; loadsa links
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe5.html

    Actually the major of libertarians believe in a state, albeit one of limited scope.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Nukes etc, another approach?
    Originally posted by monocrat
    In an anarhco-capitalist society, even private individuals could own nuclear weapons.

    Precisely, it is all lovely and theoretical but do we want that? Surely not.........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well my understanding of anarcho-capitalism is that people are entitled to own nukes as they have total property rights.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah exactly, that highlights why ideas like this will not make the world better........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Well my understanding of anarcho-capitalism is that people are entitled to own nukes as they have total property rights.

    Wonderful! Now everyone has an equal right to blow up a small city. Call me cynical if you like, but I don't think that private ownership of nuclear weapons is a good idea. Presumably, anarcho-capitalist thinking would be that everyone also has the right to own biological and chemical weapons as well, which is also not a good plan. Remember the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway? How much more often would that kind of thing happen if anyone could legally get access to sarin, VX, anthrax, etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I suppose any anarcho-capitalist will be against this war then...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Nukes etc, another approach?
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    Precisely, it is all lovely and theoretical but do we want that? Surely not.........

    I'm not fully sure of how an anarhco-capitalist society would work. Even still I don't like anarchism; be it the leftist variety or this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyone who can afford an nuke already has one...or more!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Nukes etc, another approach?
    Originally posted by monocrat
    I'm not fully sure of how an anarhco-capitalist society would work. Even still I don't like anarchism; be it the leftist variety or this.

    As far as I can see it wouldn't.

    Either all the risks we are preotected form by the state would cripple society or the risks would be fended off through giant insurance schemes that would also cripple society..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, and I'm sure we can trust Insurance Companies more than we can trust the Govt...

    BTW Aren't the taxes we pay a form of insurance premium against healthcare costs, fire, crime, military action?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    With all respect Felis, the idea of an anarcho-capitalist society is as viable as being ruled by fairies. It's nothing but capitalist fundamentalism and selfish greed taken to extremes. It wouldn't be long before this faceless, uncaring and money-obsessed society collapsed and CEOs everywhere were put up against a wall and shot (not such a bad thing I hear some say ;) ).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg


    I have read some stuff by Nozick and the like whiuch is quite good, but I suspect these guys are jokers........

    The problem is that having no state is not 'freedom' (in my mind at least) also as an economics student I feel someone should tell them that free-markets have lots of problems which is why govt intervention is required to make it work better.....

    But the state surely does not have to have THAT great a role in regulating market share, does it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    But the state surely does not have to have THAT great a role in regulating market share, does it?

    That will depend on the extent of the imperfections in the market. If you are a hardline classical economist, you would say that the free market is perfect, government intervention is counter-productive and therefore anarcho-capitalism is a great idea. If you are more to the Keynesian end of the spectrum, you would say that markets don't work, and that the government needs some level of involvement in a huge range of markets, which implies a large government presence.

    Besides, it's not just market share. Some goods theoretically will never be produced by the private sector, and others will not be produced in the correct amounts (from the point of view of society), unless the government steps in with taxes and subsidies. As an example, think of a manufacturing plant that puts out a lot of pollution. The plant owners don't have to consider the full cost of the pollution (e.g. health costs dealing with increased incidence of asthma), but society as a whole does. The plant will therefore produce more than if the owners actually had to consider the true costs of production to society.

    Note to self, next time try to sound less like a crusty old economics professor ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That example is pretty much the same as the one I had (by a crusty old economics professor) in a lecture earlier :rolleyes:

    it is a good one though, not all tax is a 'burden' on capitalism, much of it can be 'corrective' tp put right the flaws........

    There are obviously equity issues in any such debate, if one puts a value on equality of any kind then as a rule less govt control = more inequality (within a capitalist framework) Personally i see that as a bad thing and support govt intervention to reduce inequality, others may disagree though.........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    That example is pretty much the same as the one I had (by a crusty old economics professor) in a lecture earlier :rolleyes:

    Look, I can't help it, I've been studying economics for far too long, and it's already begun to have long-term side effects. It'll get you too, sooner or later...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know, it has started already, I think about everyday matters in economic terms.........(what is the oppurtunity cost of going to buy a Mars Bar :eek2: )
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's great, isn't it? You too can confuse your friends and family by insisting on using opportunity costs instead of just monetary costs, or by discussing the glories of Giffen goods (for all those who don't do economics, don't ask. You really, really don't want to know). Right now I'm running a quick cost-benefit analysis on having a nap.
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