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we MUST go to war...NOW.
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yes we have to blow the crap out of iraq but not for the bullshit reasons given. our governments always seem to find it impossible to say."this is about oil".
saudi arabia is the real..REAL...concern. no way could we invade the place though. but we do need to be it's next door nieghbour with a big dog and a fucking big stick.
if osama and his merry men take the stage at mecca when millions of muslims from around the world are doing the pilgrim thing , we loose saudi oil overnight. ? last year it was a nightmare scenario for the west....if you want the western way of life to continue, if you want us to remain top dog, lots of techno , big food supplies, electric living wonderland...then you have to fight for it. HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT. HAVE TO.
the most dangerous men , with stone age ideas and revenge in thier hearts are willing to sacrifice thier lives to destroy yours.
they may have some good historical reasons for wnting revenge
but thats just tough shit. we..WE..ME..YOU....aren't just going to lay on our backs, roll over and be fucking shafted are we.
ok.....let al queda be at mecca. let them insight the millions to slaughter the suadi royals. let thier be a militant muslim takeover
of your oil supplies. not long ago a few farmers from north wales
interupted YOUR oil supplies..and these were nice guys. look what happened within three days.
FUCKING WAKE UP.........HOW DO YOU THINK we got to be top ?
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saudi arabia is the real..REAL...concern. no way could we invade the place though. but we do need to be it's next door nieghbour with a big dog and a fucking big stick.
if osama and his merry men take the stage at mecca when millions of muslims from around the world are doing the pilgrim thing , we loose saudi oil overnight. ? last year it was a nightmare scenario for the west....if you want the western way of life to continue, if you want us to remain top dog, lots of techno , big food supplies, electric living wonderland...then you have to fight for it. HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT. HAVE TO.
the most dangerous men , with stone age ideas and revenge in thier hearts are willing to sacrifice thier lives to destroy yours.
they may have some good historical reasons for wnting revenge
but thats just tough shit. we..WE..ME..YOU....aren't just going to lay on our backs, roll over and be fucking shafted are we.
ok.....let al queda be at mecca. let them insight the millions to slaughter the suadi royals. let thier be a militant muslim takeover
of your oil supplies. not long ago a few farmers from north wales
interupted YOUR oil supplies..and these were nice guys. look what happened within three days.
FUCKING WAKE UP.........HOW DO YOU THINK we got to be top ?
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PS, could you explain to me why an invasion of iraq is about oil? Ive heard this statement quite a few times but nobody can explain it to me. From what I can see, an invasion of iraq places oil production in the region in great danger. It also puts the US control of that oil in jeopardy. The US already has defacto control of the middle east oil and for the life of me, I cant work out how invading iraq will increase this control..
Sorry to go a little OT.
all the terrorists involved in sept 11th were suadi's. osama would like to go back home. if he goes back home at the hight of the religous fervour in mecca he WILL topple the royal rulers. the islamic extremists want suadi arabia. it's where mecca is and it's where the western worlds blood is. make no mistake, if the west don't have near total control of that blood we are seriously fucked. terrorism has changed the face of the world when it showed it's capabilities in new york. if a bunch of farmers from wales can cause havoc with our oil then think what islam can do.
for your lifestyle to continue...we have to kill. it's how we got your lifestyle together in the first place. or we can be real nice with the most dangerous men in modern times...and they will cut your throat out for sure. since the begining of time it has been this way. but....when a nation or nations have been top dog for a long time the next generations have all the fruits of the blood spilt before they were born. they become blind to the reality of life. and a new order comes along and tears thier throats out.
your going to tell me thats not true aren't you ? or your going to tell me that were all modern and things like this don't happen anymore. oh god wake up. history tells me though that we are at the end. so go and protest against war evrybody and the likes of one eyed mullahs who have been brought up on blood and limbs will be thier with you i'm sure.
You might wanna read my post again..Sounds like you are tying your posts from a script. Protest against war?...There is no smiley to express my emotion.
I know Saudi is a problem. Should the house of Saud fall then we will go and take the oil with tanks and bombs.
I asked you about Iraq...you know? the country you started talking about in your first sentance of your first post in this thread,
it is and will be our oil. terrorist aims are now to bring the west to it's knees. we have to have a massive military capability in place before ramadam. if we dont and osama overthrows the suads then it realy would be world war three trying to remove them. they will cut off the oil supplies imediatley. they are not interested in the money it generates. they are interested in bringing the west to devastation. they believe that allah cannot return to the earth until islam has destroyed all nonbelievers. it's quite frightening. these are men who will destroy not only themselves but what we call civalisation , to bring about thiere dream. this is one serious enemy. protests against war about to happen in london are protests against our continuing way of life.
the west has never been so vulnerable from such extreme hatred and determination. saddam is not the issue. having massive militaryt might gives us more political and economic clout where we desperately need it now. so we upset a few people who will do everything to get us out of thier backyard. but if we take over thier backyard now they will be bought to thier knees and be considerably weaker.
let me just say. i have always been open and honest about my lack of education. i like to think i'm a realist. there are plenty of educated idiots about. there are inteligent uneducated people about. some of the obviously educated people on here, frighten me with thier blinkard ignorance of history, reality and the human condition. steel and ones come to mind imediateley.
with all respect baldog, you do not have a grasp of the near impossibilities of invading saudi arabia with tanks and bombs, it would be the biggest battle force ever assembled and would take so long to put together, the shortage of oil that the new regime there would have already caused would make it nigh on impossible.
watch ramadam with trepidation. watch the media build ups to the very real fears of the next ramadam.
Obviously I dont think things are anywhere near that bad at the current time but i can see it happening.
In going to war with Iraq ordinary people ie soildiers will be doing the dirty work for big multi-millionaire capitalists! In the words of ex US General Smedly Butler:
"In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States. How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?"
so ? thats the system we live in. your fucking pipedream world will leave you with nothing. big evil supermarkets bulging with the produce of the earth..gone. fast transport and comunications ...gone. health service ..gone. we might not live in a perfect world but we live in the best one fashioned yet.
In place of this socialists want to create a world where all the means of production distribution and exchange is under the democratic control of the workers and where there is a plan of production for need not profit! People would still have most of the things that they have now under socialism except that all the worlds wealth would be more fairly distributed and less work would need to be done as loads of work now neccessary under capitalism would no longer be neccesssary such banking, insurance, and finance. All the remaining work would then be equally shared out greatly reducing the working week!
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk
And do you have any idea of the value of that $1 or $2 in their nation?
Sounds like a good system to me. I live a moderately wealthy lifestyle and I'm more than happy with it.
Why change the system that is doing so much for me? I don't want equality. I enjoy being on a higher plane than rice farmers, because I am more intelligent than a rice farmer and subsequently will earn more money. That's the roll of the dice and I've come out on the winning side.
Hes far too ethnocentric and self righteous for that.
yours is a very unpleasant and dangerous alternative to what we have. in fact it's a none starter as an alternative. the strong will always dominate the week. the strong in your world will end up living in luxury while i sit in a prison cell.
steel YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. an idiot with good intentions i'm sure. but still an idiot. the strongest has to rule...even in your polotics. a week man would be elbowed out. or do you think amongst all this forcing of beliefs, forcing people to change human nature will produce a political party made up of christ like people.
The only people who would be worse off would be the big multi-millionaire capitalists and the owners of big businesses.
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk