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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Should paedophiles be identified in a county. There was a petition in one of todays papers, stating that the names of convicted paedophiles should be publicised. Is this really a good idea will it stop children like holly and jessica from being abducted and murdered? or will it generate hatrid and attacks and violence personally i dont feel it will do anything for anyone no matter where or when you go somewhere you will be near to some one who has commited and offence (possibly at the age of 10 and who is now 90) will it do more harm than good?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    well I like the idea in a way, but id worry that it would give people a false sense of security, thinking that they were safe, but most paedophiles arent convicted.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Making a public register of offenders won't work. It certainly wouldn't have saved Holly and Jessica. If such register was made public paedophiles would be forced underground and into hiding, and the police would lose all track of them. Besides all they'd have to do if they wanted to attack a child is travel 50 miles where people won't know them. There is no much help knowing how many paedophiles live in your area when you have no power whatsoever to stop others travelling from another area to snatch a child.
    I see the News of the World has started another campaign for the provision of a public register. We can look forward to more attacks on paediatricians by irate NotW readers :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with Aladdin here (fucking hell, that actually happens?) in that a register solves very little but gives an illusion that something is being done.

    Would I act an differently if I knew that there was a child abuser in my village? I doubt it, its not like I take many risks now.

    So what would the register achieve?

    PS By the accounts in the media to date, neither of the alledged murders would have been on this register anyway. So lets not get caught up in connecting these girls to this cause... That would be sick, using the deaths of two girls to promote a political agenda...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely it's only active paedophiles that you need to worry about, and as there is no way to distinguish between an active one and a non-active socailly responsible one it seems a little unfair.

    Making a register of offenders is fair at least, as if they are offenders than they have done some-thing wrong.

    If such a thing were to exist it would be VITAL that it never be leaked to the general population, and as this is a subject where people almost refuse to think rationaly and abide by emotional desire I do not think it would be possible to keep the infomation (and the lives of the people on the list) safe.

    most paedophiles arent convicted.

    If they've done nothing wrong why should they be? sexual preferance isn't a crime. Kidnap, rape, murder... these are crimes, aften associated with peadophiles, but it still remains that SEXUAL PREFERANCE IS NOT A CRIME. no matter what it is. Until we bring in the thought police, that is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would concur here. Does everyone remember what happened the last time the rags printed the names of paedophiles? To this day, innocent people get excrement through their letter boxes because they have similar names. And did anyone else think that the bidding war betwen the Express and the Sun over who offer the biggest reward was absolutely sick? Even the police said all it did was encourage hoax callers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The ganeral public are not responsible enough to have that kind of infoamtion, plain and simple.

    Too many people don't see that a crime has to be commited before a punishment can be alocated. And too many people see that they are the ideal candidate for giving that punishment and that a baseball bat should be involved.

    We live in a free country. Unfortunatly too many people see that as freedom to not think and ignor other peoples rights.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    when i said most paedophiles arent convicted, i didnt mean that they hadnt done anything wrong. I mean often theyre not convicted as its a case of the childs word against the adults, or the child is encouraged to not speak about it, or is frightened to say anything until a long time after when there is no proof anymore. Its hard to make convictions in a lot of cases and its often so emotionally painful for the child that they cant cope with a court case after everything theyve been through. the end result is that no convictions are brought and that DOESNT mean the paedophile has done nothing wrong.
    Cokephreak this is the 2nd thread in which youve vehemently defended paedophiles. youre starting to worry me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rainbow brite
    that DOESNT mean the paedophile has done nothing wrong.

    But it does mean that they shouldn't go on the "register" even if one exists. ALl you have there is a perons who was accused of something, rather than convicted. AN all important difference.

    Cokephreak this is the 2nd thread in which youve vehemently defended paedophiles. youre starting to worry me.

    Please tell me this wasn't meant. THe insinuation really isn't very pleasant.

    WHat cokephreak has done, and I am sure he will reply himself, is defend the rights of paedophiles. There is a difference, he certainly has never defended their actions. That you cannot see this difference is truly worrying.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by cokephreak

    If they've done nothing wrong why should they be? sexual preferance isn't a crime. Kidnap, rape, murder... these are crimes, aften associated with peadophiles, but it still remains that SEXUAL PREFERANCE IS NOT A CRIME. no matter what it is. Until we bring in the thought police, that is.


    Erm. Which bit is not a crime? As soon as someone looks at kiddie porn or acts on their sexual preference then they have comitted a crime, yes? The question was about a list of convicted offenders. These people have comitted crimes.

    However..
    Originally posted by *DEVIL*
    Is this really a good idea

    No it is typical gutter press instant reaction.

    will it stop children like holly and jessica from being abducted and murdered?

    No, there's no way it could do that.

    or will it generate hatrid and attacks and violence

    Yes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by rainbow brite
    Cokephreak this is the 2nd thread in which youve vehemently defended paedophiles. youre starting to worry me.

    Rather a cheap and pathetic argument there. Is it supposed to imply something? :rolleyes: I haven't seen him vehemently defending the actions of paedophiles, or suggesting that they shouldn't be dealt with by society if they commit an offence. He's simply being civilised and reasonable.

    I agree that a public register is a bad idea. It leads to vigilantism, will force paedophiles underground where they can't be monitored and can breed complacency. There's three very good reasons against it. I'm yet to see one sensible argument for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks for the defence everyone : its what i need right now, and i don't take it persoanlly rainbowbrite, i'm used to my ideas not being poplular.


    Erm. Which bit is not a crime? As soon as someone looks at kiddie porn or acts on their sexual preference then they have comitted a crime, yes?

    If they look at child porn or act on it the chances are they are doing something illegal.
    It is quite possible that some-one finds that they're sexual preferance is for young kiddies, they decide that its immoral, so never act on it they're entire lives.

    They are peadophiles, but they are also not commiting a crime.
    The very moral swallow hemlock.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mist
    Erm. Which bit is not a crime? As soon as someone looks at kiddie porn or acts on their sexual preference then they have comitted a crime, yes? The question was about a list of convicted offenders. These people have comitted crimes.

    That is precisely what he is arguing.

    Being a paedophile, or rather being attracted to children, isn't in itself a crime. The crime comes when these urges are acted on, either through viewing of images or in the actual abuse.

    We had a discussion along these lines not that long ago, it was centred on the difference between passive paedophilia, and active paedophilia
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok cokephreak sorry for that last bit i said. it wasnt called for.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The problem doesn't lie with conviced offenders who have been let back into society. Although some do re-offend, the majority probably don't. They also know they'll be the first person investigated when something happens to a child in their area. I'm generalising a little here I know, but a friend who worked for social services, dealing with these kind of people told me that at least 30 convicted paedophiles live in my area. Well, there certainly haven't been any cases in the area that I've heard of since I've lived here, and I've been here 7 years. Obviously there are probably things going on in some homes that none of us are aware of, but that doesn't mean these people are responsible. There is such a thing as re-habilitation and maybe that's what has happened, and these people are trying to live out their lives quietly.

    My concern is with those who do these things quietly and are never convicted. Those are the ones the police won't check up on, and the ones who are much more dangerous - because nobody knows they're doing it. National registers will do nothing useful but give rise to violence and innocent people being hurt.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm sure I posted more posts to this thread than there are. They seem to have disappeared.... ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i have no idea whether the general public should be made aware of the residency of various sex offenders;this knowledge is certainly known to local police and schools and probably parish priests and vicars.what i am sure of though is that we are far too liberal in our dealings with the offenders that we do actually catch.i cannot imagine a worse crime;it robs a child of their present innocence and their future optimism.we fail our children when we do not permanently exclude these offenders from our society.even if paedophiles didn't have one of the highest recidivist rates of all criminals(which they do),i don't actually care whether they may or may not have rehabilitated.the damage they have caused is permanent and they should be punished for the rest of their lives for it.draconian and illiberal,may be,but liberalism is no solution for monsters such as this
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I should think that the public hanging, guts out, of the odd paedophile in the town square would suffice to damper the activity a bit...give them a full week stay at the the post as a reminder.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that a register of convicted paedophiles would do more harm than good. People want to introduce anti-paedophile laws to prevent the dramatic, high-profile cases of abduction and rape such as Sarah Payne and Holly and Jessica which captre the attention and sympathy of the general public. However, the sad fact is that most acts of paedophilia take place in the home, and sick as this is, the individuals responsible present no danger to society at large and are not going to carry out random kidnappings which the register's supporters want it to prevent.

    Also, we all witnessed the attacks on innocent people a few years ago because some vigilantes couldn't tell the difference between "paedophile" and "paediatrician." Any register, were it to be introduced, would have to be designed to safeguard against a repeat of those events. Someone suggested a system where information about paedophiles would be available on a computer, and if you had suspicions about someone you could search for their name in the database, but you wouldn't be able to browse through it just to see who was on it. Although this would be better than a published list, it wouldn't prevent people with no previous convictions from offending and there's also nothing to stop people searching randomly for the names of people they have no real grounds to suspect, but who they just don't like.
    originally posted by cokephreak

    The ganeral public are not responsible enough to have that kind of infoamtion, plain and simple.

    Exactly - sensitive information like that should not be available to people who may use it irresponsibly. This should be a matter for the police and social workers, not society at large, especially given the results of the News of the World's name and shame campaign.
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