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Disabled people starting up a business

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I've been talking to another friend about my business idea (selling mobility and living aids which look good and work) who has been chronically ill most of her life, and is also on ESA. She's really interested but starting up your own business is hard, especially if both the partners are disabled! Both of us are very motivated and determined but we are a bit worried about work/life balance and pacing ourselves so we don't make our conditions worse.

Is there a particular organisation that helps disabled business people? Has anyone any advice or tips?

We're trying to go on the next local princes trust enterprise course, but we also want to talk to someone a bit more specialised and see if there are groups we can go to or grants for adaptations for us to able to work better?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have you tried The Prince's Trust?

    Disability Grants looks like a good mine of info, although they're still on about DLA so it may be out-of-date.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you going to source the aids, or make your own?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Almost all of the links don't work so I'm guessing a fair bit maybe out of date. I'm on the case with the princes trust but I'm looking for specialist disability advice as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    Are you going to source the aids, or make your own?

    Potentially both, I have lots of designs in the pipeline that I'm almost ready to make prototypes of, but we're also looking for aids which really work and look good too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know for sure but it might be useful to see if the British Chamber of Commerce, or Business Link have any useful information and contacts:

    http://www.britishchambers.org.uk/business/business-faqs/i-want-to-start-a-new-business.-where-can-i-go-for-help.html

    good luck, hope it goes well
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miss_Riot wrote: »
    Potentially both, I have lots of designs in the pipeline that I'm almost ready to make prototypes of, but we're also looking for aids which really work and look good too.

    Make prototypes how? What testing will you do? What Standards do you have to adhere to? How will you get the kite marking?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It depends of the product - something's are to make others look good - like covers, and there for asides being tested for durability they won't need much. With others, I'm going to have to draw things up in a CAD type program and see if I can find a manufacturer who is willing to do a small run. Three will be tested by volunteers (who will sign a disclaimer), and one will be sent to be professionally tested. Kitemarks - not sure exactly what is going to be the best for us to go for. Possibly CE? I need to look in to it more.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Try contacting the Trading Standards department of your local council. They should be able to fill you in about what testing/standards you'd need.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who's funding your startup?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fingers crossed I'll get the princes trust to give me some funding, if not they might be able to point me the right way.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    best of luck, although i must say, its a brave move, as usually the start up of a business involves very little respite time, and work life balance.
    When monsieur creamcheese had his own business, it nearly broke us. There was a lot of working through the night.
    It still failed.

    Research research reasearch x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We could do with a third person getting involved tbh, but it's difficult without having the money to pay someone.

    How do you think is the best way to get people's feedback on whether they actually want what we're thinking of doing and how much they'd be willing to pay and what's most important to them about the product etc? I can write surveys till the cows come home but I need to responses and quality ones at that, and I also need to actually get access to the target market. I'm thinking the local disability action groups, maybe if they'll let me, the ouch message board, various other forums. I know it's difficult because its a fairly small target market, but I'm thinking of broadening it a bit by trying to incorporate the whole easy of use yet stylish side of things to non disabled users. I want to keep the model of the business as consumer led as possible because I think that's the.only way to create sustainable business these days.

    Any thoughts on that lot?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1. Prepare a business plan. What is your business doing, what is its unique selling point, what is it about you and business partner that can bring a unique advantage here? Don't worry excessively about financials at this stage, instead look at ballpark figures - can this make money?

    2. Proof of concept. You need to see if a) you can source these b) you can get them ready for sale c) you can market them d) you can sell them, and make money doing so and e) you / customers can use them. If you fall on any of these hurdles, chances are the business will fail.

    3. Develop a robust business plan, that can attract investors. Might be worth getting some help drafting this together.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miss_Riot wrote: »
    We could do with a third person getting involved tbh, but it's difficult without having the money to pay someone.

    How do you think is the best way to get people's feedback on whether they actually want what we're thinking of doing and how much they'd be willing to pay and what's most important to them about the product etc? I can write surveys till the cows come home but I need to responses and quality ones at that, and I also need to actually get access to the target market. I'm thinking the local disability action groups, maybe if they'll let me, the ouch message board, various other forums. I know it's difficult because its a fairly small target market, but I'm thinking of broadening it a bit by trying to incorporate the whole easy of use yet stylish side of things to non disabled users. I want to keep the model of the business as consumer led as possible because I think that's the.only way to create sustainable business these days.

    Any thoughts on that lot?

    Consider putting a focus group together. Hire out a hall for half a day, provide refreshments and food and think out some exercises / discussions. Get a prototype or three and let people play with / destroy them. Could work :-) and might even get yourself some preorders on the books.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I need to write the books first!! :p

    That does sound like a good idea! I also need to work on what kind of intellectual property protection is right for these products.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    last thing, is there already a company doing what you want to do? if so, what makes you better?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Financials - even ball park figures, would require me to get some prototypes made up and trialled. Currently I have no idea whats the manufacturer cost would be, let alone what the retail cost might be. And I order to get prototypes made I feel I might need some initial outlay. I have a friend who might be able to help - he's a scientist who owns his own manufacturing firm, so he may be able to help me make a couple of the prototypes.

    I'm really not sure which is chicken and which is egg in terms of starting up the business. Do I go with all of the theoretical stuff first or do I start with making the prototypes and then get the business plan to follow. If there much point in doing the business plan until I've got proof of concept?

    I've done a lot of research on other companies within the same sector and no one seems to be doing anything even close! There are companies making individual products which are along the line of what we want to do (and rather than go into competition I'd rather stock their items), but there is no company which stocks a whole range of items like that. And many of the items are hugely overpriced to the extent that they're very inaccessible to most disabled people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've seen people doing custom design prosthetics, though they are on a per person basis e.g. Don't carry the stock themselves. I guess it makes sense though, having a personalised prosthesis is very individual - like having a tattoo.

    Maybe look into that and see how their business model works.

    Also I think a rough outline of what you are proposing to do is a useful exercise even at the early stages as it allows you to retain a focus on what you are about.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But leaving out financial aspects until I have a better idea ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you need ballpark figures. They don't have to be accurate, but something to go on if you are hoping to turn this into a source of income instead of simply a hobby. Otherwise you might be doing a lot of work when it turns out you have no chance of turning a profit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm just wondering how I can find out how much the prototype will cost to make before its made?

    With the sales of things made by other companies, once I find out wholesale prices I can work out what the retail price could be and work from there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It depends how complex the parts are and what they're made of.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The parts aren't difficult or expensive to make its just the configuration that's the difficult part. But I don't think that would really impact the price. In an ideal work I'd like to not be selling this particular product for more than £30, but well have to see if that's actually realistic.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Prototyping can cost a great deal. In some cases you're looking at £10000s...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd say you simply need to do more research first and find out people who do things that are similarish, find out who they buy from, at what approximate prices, and so on. I don't think trying to fabricate from scratch is the best way to go about it (but dont let me stop you) - you should try to 'pick low hanging fruit' first.
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