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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Cut off without even having the chance to reply????
Nice one guys!!
So much for giving everyone a say!!
Whether the debate's been had before should make no difference. There are people out there, like me, who disagree with the use of drugs (and I'm not talking about freakin' viagra!!) And yes, I started with a remark that some would find offensive and controversial, but then I find drugs to be offensive and we all know it's controversial!

Dom, you just assumed I was out to cause trouble. Did it occur to you to ask me first why I said what I did?? Do you use drugs too? And if so, does that make it okay???

Is it the style of the site to close a thread when it appears most people would disagree with what was posted?? I have seen so much pain associated with the use of drugs. I have lost close friends...forever gone.....because of fucking drugs!!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt;

I will not stop trying to convince people to stop using it just because people claim to know how to use drugs "safely". There is no "safe" way to use drugs. For God's sake people!!Wake up!!!!!


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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    The first thread was blatant trolling, if you had started it the way you have with this one maybe it wouldn't have been closed.

    So what is it I should wake up to??

    Only users lose drugs
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If drugs were so safe people wouldn't be dying mate!! Or losing their minds!!
    And it's got nothing to do with dosages!!
    Everyone's different, physically, mentally....and you have no idea how your body will react to the drug (just because your friend had a wicked trip doesn't mean you will too!).
    You can also never be sure that you're buying something "safe". This has been proven many times....and tragically so.

    Never piss into the wind!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/cool7.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    If drugs were so safe people wouldn't be dying mate!!

    So tell me, are you going to tell all your friends not to buy cars as well? People die in cars as well...

    I was made for a better world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And about 33,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    Cut off without even having the chance to reply????
    Nice one guys!!
    So much for giving everyone a say!!
    Whether the debate's been had before should make no difference. There are people out there, like me, who disagree with the use of drugs (and I'm not talking about freakin' viagra!!) And yes, I started with a remark that some would find offensive and controversial, but then I find drugs to be offensive and we all know it's controversial!

    Dom, you just assumed I was out to cause trouble. Did it occur to you to ask me first why I said what I did?? Do you use drugs too? And if so, does that make it okay???

    Is it the style of the site to close a thread when it appears most people would disagree with what was posted?? I have seen so much pain associated with the use of drugs. I have lost close friends...forever gone.....because of fucking drugs!!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt;

    I will not stop trying to convince people to stop using it just because people claim to know how to use drugs "safely". There is no "safe" way to use drugs. For God's sake people!!Wake up!!!!!



    U r entitled to your oppinion and Im sure u have your reasons etc etc. I too have seen the pain and troulbe and also suffered myself due to drugs. I am by no means blind to the bad side, infact Im very much aware of it.

    People will always disagree when it comes to drugs coz lets face it u either like them or u dont and everyone makes their own mind up about them.

    I accept the veiws of people who are against drugs and I am the opposite in a lot of ways. U must also accept how other people feel and open your eyes to how it is for them...this is called understanding!

    By saying wake up u r expecting people to have the same oppinions as u and if they dont then they must be wrong!!!!Nobody is wrong I have to say, not u not me not anyone coz its all down to personal choice at the end of the day!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    If drugs were so safe people wouldn't be dying mate!! Or losing their minds!!
    And it's got nothing to do with dosages!!
    Everyone's different, physically, mentally....and you have no idea how your body will react to the drug (just because your friend had a wicked trip doesn't mean you will too!).
    You can also never be sure that you're buying something "safe". This has been proven many times....and tragically so.



    ...uuurrr...and what??? I am confused as to why u felt it was necesarry to state what most of the drug users amoung us r aware of already???

    U have not said something new, infact this is constnatly thrown around to be honest and Im not sure really what it is u r trying to acheive?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    If drugs were so safe people wouldn't be dying mate!! Or losing their minds!!
    And it's got nothing to do with dosages!!
    Everyone's different, physically, mentally....and you have no idea how your body will react to the drug (just because your friend had a wicked trip doesn't mean you will too!).
    You can also never be sure that you're buying something "safe". This has been proven many times....and tragically so.


    Do you really think we don't know this. I'll bet that most of the posters on here that choose to consume drugs are better clued up on them than you.

    I don't pretend to think that there's nothing wrong with them. Of course drugs have a bad effect on people but they can be rewarding as well.

    I'm never going to encourage people to start using drugs coz that decision can only be made by them but if they ask for advice I'm not going to lie to them. I'll give them my opinion and advice from my experiences with drugs. As it goes I believe people such as Lolly, Justin Credible and many others (and hopefully myself) give good advice to people seeking drug information on this board. Something that is needed coz drugs are never going to go away.



    - Skive
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by jeffrey:
    So tell me, are you going to tell all your friends not to buy cars as well? People die in cars as well...


    It's not the cars that kill.....it's bad driving! Don't insult our intelligence by using such crap examples mate....it doesn't compare!



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    And about 33,000 people die every year from alcohol abuse....

    Did I say alcohol abuse was okay????



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lolly:
    U r entitled to your oppinion and Im sure u have your reasons etc etc. I too have seen the pain and troulbe and also suffered myself due to drugs. I am by no means blind to the bad side, infact Im very much aware of it.

    People will always disagree when it comes to drugs coz lets face it u either like them or u dont and everyone makes their own mind up about them.

    I accept the veiws of people who are against drugs and I am the opposite in a lot of ways. U must also accept how other people feel and open your eyes to how it is for them...this is called understanding!

    By saying wake up u r expecting people to have the same oppinions as u and if they dont then they must be wrong!!!!Nobody is wrong I have to say, not u not me not anyone coz its all down to personal choice at the end of the day!


    I agree that everyone has their own views and that no one is wrong, but I will not be intimidated by the majority of drug users on this site who claim that all non-users have no fucking clue because they've never tripped......
    We're not blind to what's happening around us.



    Never piss into the wind!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/cool7.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    Did I say alcohol abuse was okay????

    so do you also have a problem with people that drink?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lolly:

    ...uuurrr...and what??? I am confused as to why u felt it was necesarry to state what most of the drug users amoung us r aware of already???

    U have not said something new, infact this is constnatly thrown around to be honest and Im not sure really what it is u r trying to acheive?


    And I'll keep stating it!! Am I supposed to shut up now because everyone's moaning that they've heard it all before?!?!
    Well hear it again!!!
    Would you stop taking drugs if someone close to you dies?
    Would you campaign against drugs if this happened?



    Never piss into the wind!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/cool7.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    I'm never going to encourage people to start using drugs coz that decision can only be made by them but if they ask for advice I'm not going to lie to them. I'll give them my opinion and advice from my experiences with drugs. As it goes I believe people such as Lolly, Justin Credible and many others (and hopefully myself) give good advice to people seeking drug information on this board. Something that is needed coz drugs are never going to go away.

    Here's where we differ.....I will not give advice, I will discourage them from using.
    Giving advice gives young people the impression that there's a good way of doing it and that it might even be safe and this encourages them to start.



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by badben:
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    Did I say alcohol abuse was okay????

    so do you also have a problem with people that drink?

    It's not drinking.....it's abusing the drink that's a problem....



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:
    It's not drinking.....it's abusing the drink that's a problem....


    in the same way that abusing illegal drugs can be a problem as illegal drugs can also be used sensibly…..there are a large number of recreational drug users (including using drugs like Heroin) that have good lives, jobs, family and lead well-rounded, perfectly normal (although I’m sure not normal as in your meaning of the word) lives….drugs are excellent ways of expanding your mind...(would the Beatles have been half as good without LSD)

    Besides, have you ever tried Es, speed, gear, coke etc….if not, how can you make an argument as to whether they are beneficial or not?

    Most heroin users die because of a ‘bad’ batch of impure substance, or overdosing because some batches are stronger than others and so making sure you have the correct dose is a complete lottery. If drugs like heroin were leagalised, then it could be regulated so that the H was good quality and of consistent strength.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Lord of Little:

    The first thread was blatant trolling, if you had started it the way you have with this one maybe it wouldn't have been closed.


    Exactly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Tongue, some of what you say does make sense, sometimes I do think such freely available advice can encourage the use of drugs esp. in the young. However if this advice was not available the drugs themselves WOULD STILL BE THERE. Then there would still be kids on drugs, but without any guidance, not knowing the danger signs to look out for, and believing the vague and false rumours that build up when there is a lack of proper information.

    Personaly, I think the only way to defeat the drug problem is to remove the mystique that surrounds drugs and to make them about as cool as a Geography teacher with a brown tweed jacket smoking a pipe and driving a Lada (advance apologies to any Geography teachers with brown tweed etc, etc..) which would remove one of the major factors of kids being on drugs to start with....

    Only users lose drugs
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with what skive 'n' dive said. I never tell anyone to take drugs or not to take drugs, its not my responsibility. The fact is that if somebody actually wants to take them, their going to no matter what you say. Therefore, i think, the best thing to do is to make sure that if they do take them, they know all the facts, and they know the safest and most enjoyable ways to take them.

    The only time I advise people off them is if I think they are getting out of control with a particular drug... then I feel it is kinda my responsibilty, as they are my friends.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thing is Tongue, there's always gonna be people like me. I enjoy getting off my tits once in a while and when I do, I don't hurt anybody or commit crime. I just use drugs as some people would alcohol and believ me alcohol in my opinion is as bad an if not worse than many illgal drugs.

    I respect your opinion but not the way you voice it. You're only going to make yourself unpopular here by acting like that. Instead of calling us wankers would it not be better to get your opinion across by being reasonabl and advising people to stop using drugs. Your opinions and advice carries more weight if you're not abusive. Just chill winston!

    - Skive
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:

    I agree that everyone has their own views and that no one is wrong, but I will not be intimidated by the majority of drug users on this site who claim that all non-users have no fucking clue because they've never tripped......
    We're not blind to what's happening around us.


    If u feel intimidated then its something u need to sort out yourself coz i dont see how anybody here has intimidated u. Infact it would seem thats what u r trying to do to everyone else...except its not actually working! Ive never said that just coz u havent tried drugs u dont know anything... where did that come from????

    Skive, thanx for mentioning me and I hope u know your advice is good too <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tongue:

    And I'll keep stating it!! Am I supposed to shut up now because everyone's moaning that they've heard it all before?!?!
    Well hear it again!!!
    Would you stop taking drugs if someone close to you dies?
    Would you campaign against drugs if this happened?



    What, so u r allowed to continue to shout your mouth off about drugs being bad, resulting in arguments and problems when u could just talk sensible about it? However its not acceptable for the ones out there who use drugs to do the same and shout out continuosly about how good they are???

    We have heard how u feel and your oppinion and u r only gonna make people think less of your oppinion by causing problems coz u cant just say it once and shut up!

    Were u asking me those questions??? Coz heres the answers anyway...

    I know quite a few people who have died from drug related problems etc. Its frightening and also really sad to see this happen, however it dont mean everyone who experiences it will never touch drugs again. Some do and some dont...I didnt stop it although it did make me think more (for about 5 mins b4 I got mashed!).

    That may sound a bit disturbing to u but the fact is everyone copes differently. In some cases people probably do more after seeing someone die coz they feel sad and drugs help them feel better...or maybe coz they realise u only live once and beleive u should make the most of it by getting cained!!

    U r not the only person who has been through this, and u r also not the only person to wanna campaign against drugs because of it!

    Unfortunatly u will never be able to stop people doing drugs, so campaigning for that is pointless. The real campaigning should be for better drugs eduacation and awareness so that users r as safe as possible and less people die!
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