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Teacher faces up to 40 years in jail for porn pop ups
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http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article1464355.ece
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The law shouldn't prosecute people for panicking in an accident, for example if someone was in a car crash and you tried to save their life but did the wrong thing / inadvertedly moved them if you werne't supposed to, I don't think you should be liable because you were trying to do what was the right thing. If you were a trained medical professional its a bit different because you should know what to check for.
Just the same, it was a supply teacher who'd had the computer set up for her, and when she was bombarded with pornographic pop ups she tried to close them but they just kept coming. So what the hell is her crime? Although it's a bit random, it reminds me in a way of the film 'Enemy at the gates' where the russians charge at the germans - if they retreat they get shot, but they're charging right at a fortified position.
She tried to stop it, she wasn't expecting it, it's not her fault. She's been convicted for a 'crime' that shouldn't be a crime.
I hate to say it, but 'Only in America...'
I watched top gear ep.3 yesterday - the one with the Americans trying to kill them, incredible! It's probably the media, but I'm really getting put off by the country, so many of the religious conservatives are just so plain stupid.
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The law shouldn't prosecute people for panicking in an accident, for example if someone was in a car crash and you tried to save their life but did the wrong thing / inadvertedly moved them if you werne't supposed to, I don't think you should be liable because you were trying to do what was the right thing. If you were a trained medical professional its a bit different because you should know what to check for.
Just the same, it was a supply teacher who'd had the computer set up for her, and when she was bombarded with pornographic pop ups she tried to close them but they just kept coming. So what the hell is her crime? Although it's a bit random, it reminds me in a way of the film 'Enemy at the gates' where the russians charge at the germans - if they retreat they get shot, but they're charging right at a fortified position.
She tried to stop it, she wasn't expecting it, it's not her fault. She's been convicted for a 'crime' that shouldn't be a crime.
I hate to say it, but 'Only in America...'
I watched top gear ep.3 yesterday - the one with the Americans trying to kill them, incredible! It's probably the media, but I'm really getting put off by the country, so many of the religious conservatives are just so plain stupid.
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On the other hand, who says that the students weren't the ones looking at porn, and switched it to a "hairstyle" page when they saw her coming? In that case it's the replacement teacher's "fault" for leaving before she came back.
"Fault" is in quotes above because I seriously do not think 12 year olds are harmed by seeing pornography, especially if they were the ones who searched for it.
The unfortunate thing is, it's not rumours and hearsay, it's amnesty international, the BBC, the times etc. that present these stories.
I think she has a duty of care, and if children in her care saw pornography then she's at fault. But the punishment has to fit the crime, and I think a stern telling off is more appropriate than 'up to 40 years in prison'.
It's just the godfearing conservatives who get all hysterical over it, like they're never seen a vagina before. Although she wont go into prison for 40 years, she could expect around 18 months if her appeal is unsuccessful. Not to mention a ruined career and life.
I think the person who is ultimately responsible for the school (i.e. the principal) is so passing the buck, this teacher is getting all the blame and they're just saying 'yea, she's a bad one...' - but he / she was the one who employed her, and also the one who was in ultimate authority over the school.
Didn't the article say that she left another teacher there while she was in the toilet? And when she came back, that teacher wasn't there? Wouldn't it be more that teacher's "fault" in that case?
I have.
Contemporary America really is the most preposterous society in history - at least any society I've any knowledge of. Not necesarily the cruellest, the most brutal, arbitary, or even dangerous (although it is all of those things to a large degree); but just the most embarrassing, unaware, uncritical, unsophisticated, unironic, pathetic, and naive (not in a charming way). Its a self-parody of itself.
This woman may well have made a mistake, but I don't accept she should have to spend 40 years in the nick because of it. This is a matter which could have easily been dealt with internally at the school. That may have led to her being disciplined, which would probably be sufficient punishment.
A very middle class English view that. We're the Greeks and they're the Romans :rolleyes:
Thats pretty unsuprising since I'm English and "middle class." But I'd say its more of a European viewpoint. Its hard not to feel contempt and disdain for the way what seems like majority of Americans conduct themselves...and the premises they must use in any discussion, and the extremely narrow bounds upon their general social and political discourse.
And the irony being most Americans wouldn't understand the analogy you made.
To be honest I think its an unfair viewpoint and sterotyping which would be frowned on if was said about any other people. I've met just as many extremely bright and open-minded Americans as I've met narrow-minded and stupid Europeans.
I'd also add that there is a long and honourable tradition of the British press reporting 'stupid American' stories (usually without noting that they've picked them up from the US press who were also printing them as an example of stupidity). Its after all easier to get stories from the US (given we speak the same language) than it is from virtually any other country.
I don't think most Brits would understand the Greeks/Roman analogy either tbh - I suspect as historian you probably do, but I'd also guess we'd be in the minority
Yeah but I'm not making an absolute judgement here: obviously there are many extremely intelligent and sophisticated Americans including some of the greatest men in history. Unfortunately they seem to be confined to the east and west coast metropolitan centres; and even there you get unimaginably idiotic and brash "intellectuals"/commentators.
Take Ann Coulter. She has had several books that have stayed at number one of the NY times best seller list for months and months. Extremely popular: and amongst "educated" people who actually read "books" rather than just watch soundbite news channels. Here are some of her sincerely held beliefs:
"What if they [Iran] start having one of these bipolar episodes with nuclear weapons? I think our motto should be, post-9-11: raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences."
"...I believe our motto should be after 9/11: Jihad monkey talks tough; jihad monkey takes the consequences. Sorry, I realize that's offensive. How about 'camel jockey'? What? Now what'd I say? Boy, you tent merchants sure are touchy."
"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word '******,' so I'm - so, kind of at an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards..."
In an interview with the The Guardian she quipped, "I think airlines ought to start advertising: 'We have the most civil rights lawsuits brought against us by Arabs.'" When the interviewer replied by asking what Muslims would do for travel, she responded, "They could use flying carpets."
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
"[On Muslims] We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
The kind of quality political discourse you can expect to be popular in the US these days...
ETA: Didn't realise thesite had a word filter/censor! The inslut levelled at Edwards was that he was a faggo t.
But people read Littlejohn and Coulter not because they're stupid or even agree with all what they say, but because they're entertaining.
Even within the mid-America you get plenty of bright, well-informed Americans - the fact that many of them vote for Bush doesn't make them either stupid or ill-informed.
UK - everyone is entitled to free healthcare, and if they can't afford it, free / subsidised medicine
US - 60 million people (that's around 1 in 5 ish, assuming a population of 300 million) do not have healthcare insurance in a given year, or something to that effect source
UK - freedom of religion and choice, we tend to have non-religious policies and don't let the church influence the government
US - many of the ministerial positions (not sure what the technical term is) are actually held by high ranking religious (christians) people
whilst it's easy to find examples to prove anything, my point is America on the whole, is actually quite scary. It's the most powerful country in the world, the richest country in the world, and yet some of the poorest people in America rely on aid from charities and abroad to survive, as the government believes people's welfare is their own responsibility.
As an American student at my university said to me: "Going to some areas in America [the south] is like going back in time 50 years, not because of the technology but because of the sociological beliefs and structures."
Thats true, but at least his book was a miserable failure and he is reliant on a hardcore fanbase of generally unrepresentative people. Hes not genuinely popular, and I'd argue that he isn't representative of mainstream popular opinion. Coulter might not be a completely typical example of an American writer, shes more polemic than most, but shes fairly representative of popular feeling as her disturbing success illustrates.
Again thats true...although theres nothing wrong with people buying Jamie Oliver books in my opinion, in fact it shows some sophistication that they want to eat well, and hes not advocating invading all muslim nations.
Celebrity culture obviously doesn't reflect particularly well on us; but its still not as bad as that of the US. And anyway its largely due to US cultural influence that we have it.
Well I'd say they are stupid and/or ill-informed, unless they are in the top 5% income bracket.
I'm not sure its true. After all the far-right in the US is pretty marginalised, I'm sure the KKK would kill to have the support le Pen does in France. Switzerland requires the majority of its able bodied male citizens to keep weapons at home (actually on gun laws it would be more accurate to say the UK has almost uniquely tough laws on ownership). My wife (who is American) has been physically assaulted by someone who punched claiming it was for the children of Iraq (doubly ironic as she went on the anti-war march whilst I stayed at home) and has several times been verbally abused or treated like she is some sort of imbecile because she has a Texas accent (again ironic as she has a Doctorate).
I'm also not convinced being conservative is a bad thing...
True, but that's the choice American's have made. I'm not sure it makes us brighter or more sophisticated
Well apart from the fact our head of state doubles as head of the Church of England and Scotland and we currently by law have bishops (the lords spiritual) sitting in part of our legislature. In fact we're one of the states with the heaviest intertwining of the Church and State.
I'm not sure that's actually true that they're high up in their religous organisations (rather than just being religous). But Tony Blair is a strongly practicing Christian and if devolved government goes ahead in Northern ireland there's a strong chance that the first Minister will be Paisley, who's also the founder of the Free Prestbyterians.
True, but then the position isn't great in some of our inner city areas either, nor come to that in many places in Europe. The US does have a welfare system - it isn't great, but it exists and it is there as an absolute safety bnet, people won't starve.
Going to some places in this country is as well.
Now I happen to rather like the UK, but I'm not sure that the Americans are in-bred hicks.
Questions to ask:
1. Was the user account in question an administrator account or a 'limited' account? If it's limited, then the malicious software has already been installed by a previous admin-level user.
2. How many user accounts are there on the system? Check through the Event Viewer and find out which user was logged on to have prompted the malicious software.
3. Check the browser history. The porno installation may well not have taken place on the day that Amero left the computer unattended.
4. IT admins - You should have had a full AV and spyware package resident and running, especially if kids are going to use the PC.
And IMHO, (in Family Fortunes style) - the Survey said:
Big X to the parents who got Amero arrested.
Big tick for Amero.
I'd argue that Littlejohn is genuinely popular - albeit that's not to say people agree with him on evrything. Coulter isn't typical, but I'd agree that American political discourse is much more polemical. However, I'm not sure that's a US trait on its own. If we didn't have the BBC and some pretty strict laws on televsion we'd be pretty polemical as well - even the broadsheets are pretty much one sided (and whislt more entertaining are arguably less concerned with giving a balanced view that US broadsheets - with the exception of the the FT)
We have posters on this site who routinely refer to the S*n and the Daily Hatemail. I'll leave that to your choice whether that's a reflection on the quality of those papers or the poster's own prejudices.
No, there's nothing wrong with it (I bought one for one of my sisters for Christmas). But its hardly like we're a nation who read's great political works or that Tolstoy and Proust are top reads (thank God)
I'm not sure its US cultural influence (Big Brother is Dutch i believe), more that people as a whole like entertainment more than history. Its a measure of a free society that people can read and watch what they want rather than what others believe is good for us.
Now personally I can't stand BB and would rather read a decent novel or history book than the doings of Chantelle, but I can't see a problem with people not choosing to do so.
A slightly arrogant comment and unworthy of you. It does seem to be based on the old marxist myth - socialism is good for people and if they don't see that its because they're stupid and ill-informed. Of course it could just be that people don't think socialism is what's best for them.
As an aside Bush was originally elected based on his record in texas of compassionate conservatism. One of the centre pieces of his policies was the 'No Child Left Behind Act' which aimed to improve the education of all American children.
I suspect that if 9/11 hadn't happened Bush would have taken further steps around welfare reform etc, but these have had to take a back step due to the needs of funding foreign policy (admittedly a fault somewhat of his own making)