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Tory tax cuts
BillieTheBot
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Am I being cynical or are the Tories pissing off their core voters on purpose?
They know that Tory voters will always vote Tory, so what they want to do is apeal to Labour voters and slightly piss off their core vote.
Yet, this (to me) blatent policy seems to have been noticed by any of the media.
They know that Tory voters will always vote Tory, so what they want to do is apeal to Labour voters and slightly piss off their core vote.
Yet, this (to me) blatent policy seems to have been noticed by any of the media.
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It wasn't until the mid 80s that she started to slash direct taxation.
That makes a lot more sense than just saying 'let's cut tax' without even stopping to think how much to cut, whether it is needed and what impact would have on the country and its public services.
But at the heart of this lies a clash of two Tory factions: the Right of the party, which faithful to its own ways remain obsessed with tax cuts on principle with the ultimate goal of rewarding themselves and the hell with anyone else. And (on paper at least) a more centre-orientated faction that recognise the need to mantain and finance public services and welfare and that recognise that there is such thing as society and that single mothers are not evil spongers to be crucified in public like the Evil Witch believes.
But everyone knows that their shaddow chancellor is about as right wing economically you can get, he's just keeping his mouth shut at the moment because he knows they wont get elected other wise.
It just seems strange to me that both Tory MP's and the Media dont seem to notice its a blatent ploy, fake left then run right.
Perhaps - but then prior to '97 the Labour grassroots all expected Blair to lurch back to the left when Labour got into power...
Since many Conservatives believe that David Cameron could still get elected on a fairly traditionally conservative platform some people are tired of this reinvention bullshit. At the last election the Conservatives got more votes in England than Labour, with Brown being relatively unpopular in England and this Labour govt increasingly unpopular Cameron could still win on a low taxes/tough on crime/eurosceptic platform.
Fair point, but he know's full well that its not about getting more votes, its about getting more votes in the marginals, the rest of us might as well stay at home.
I suspect more people think that you let on, but its hard for Labour to attack on it ('those Tory swine will reduce your taxes when they get in' isn't a real vote winner). Labour did try to hit Cameron with only being green on the outside - but the Chameleon advert backfired as it was too cute.
Its also hard to proove and you'd be sticking your neck out and be laughed out of court if you said Cameron was some sort of right wing extremist - Cameron has always been on the left of the Tory party, so its quite possible to believe that he does want to occupy the centre ground. Even Green issues, which are now wrongly seen as a left-wing issue, used to be traditionally right-wing, as it was believed that ecological measures would hurt jobs in traditional heavy engineering the most and many left-wingers weren't happy with that.
Yep.
Camerons is a twat. He'll lose alot of support over this.
I think Cameron needs to stay away from the party faithful, the tax cut champions and use his "few good men" in the party to change it to a place where Labour are on the back foot and the Conservatives are drawing the dividing lines like it once was. Since Blair took over the leadership it has been all labour drawing the dividing lines and keeping the Torries on the back foot. Tax cuts dont win elections...as shown by Hague and Howard and especially IDS who never ever got to an election battle.
The more say such people have in the Tory Party, the less chance it'll have of ever gaining power, Labour debacles or not.
Taxation in some form is a necessary evil but excessive taxation that takes money away from hardworking Britons to prop up bureaucrats in the Civil Service, French farmers, welfare spongers and more bureaucrats in Brussels is immoral. There is nothing moral about punishing hard work by purging people of 30-40% of their earnings.
Redwood and Tebbit have influence amongst the grassroots but little direct influence on David Cameron. But, the grassroots and mass opinion will have some influence and there is the fact that millions of people want tax cuts. At some point after getting elected the Conservatives need to ruthlessly reduce waste to allow for significant tax cuts. The broad aim should be for tax rates in Britain to be comparable with the US, rather than with Europe as is presently the case.
Does that mean we get the great public services they have there as well?
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I guss I don't work hard then.
Depends on what you get in return.
I am actually purged of 100% of my wages. But then I get food, a house, water, electricty, a health service, police force etc in return.
I'd say nearly everyone wants to pay less tax. Of course, they want public services too. If the tax cutting heights of Thatcher taught us anything, it was that the price of those cuts was a lack of investment in things like public transport and the NHS - something which we are still paying for with lives even now.
Even though you cannot compare the two because provision of so completely different. How much does healthcare cost in the US?
I'm sure you are very hard-working. But that does not change the fact that if any firm in the private sector conducted itself in the way much of the public sector does they would go bankrupt - fast.
While Thatcher was PM funding for the NHS actually increased...
The grassroots will always vote Tory. But outside Tory grassroots, outside the Daily Mail readership (who in their majority would vote Tory regardless anyway) how many people actually want taxes to be cut?
Yes, everybody would like more money. No, a great many of people wouldn't actually like to see taxes cut for the hell of it (and with the ultimate goal of saving money for the rich, because those are the only people the likes of Redwood and Tebbit ever gave a shit about). A great many of us would only like taxes cut if the conditions are absolutely right and there is total guarantee public services and welfare are not going to suffer as a result. And the Tories remain as untrusted in that respect as ever.
Perhaps one day the Tories will inspire confidence that they can be trusted with public services, just as Labour got to be trusted that it would run the economy efficiently. But at the moment I don't see anything much have changed. In the absolute immense majority of cases lower tax equals poorer public services and welfare, and despite the extra few quid in workers' paycheques, worse conditions in the long term.