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"Boot out clubs who protect perverts"

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
edited January 2023 in General Chat
The never-to-be-mentioned-in-the-Scottish-media scandal has popped its head out from under the carpet with the release of Alan Brazil's book.

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It takes a brave man to come forward about this kind of thing so well done to Brazil. I happen to agree with him: if this was any other business rather than a football club then you can't help but think it would have disappeared for good. Very sad.

What's more worrying is that the man in the article descibed as "the embodiment of all that was right and proper about the Scottish way of life" allowed this abuse to continue at the club for years without doing anything about it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Don't really agree with kicking the club out of the league. Why punish the whole club for something that one employee has done? Its a bit unfair on the whole club, the supporters, the home town, etc.

    *I agree with the part about throwing these bastards in prison and throwing away the key.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mr Maypoo wrote:
    Don't really agree with kicking the club out of the league. Why punish the whole club for something that one employee has done? Its a bit unfair on the whole club, the supporters, the home town, etc

    You have a point there: it would be unfair to punish an entire club based on the actions of one sicko.

    However, in this particular case, the manager, the board, the captain (and other players, no doubt) all knew about it but did nothing. It was described by the captain during the court case as "an open secret" but it took years before anything was done about it.

    So in this case it isn't an individual so much as the club itself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    However, in this particular case, the manager, the board, the captain (and other players, no doubt) all knew about it but did nothing. It was described by the captain during the court case as "an open secret" but it took years before anything was done about it.

    In that case, then there should be steps to punish the club, or maybe the people that knew about it.

    Its a bit hard to just kick a team out of the league, purely because of the amount of people it would affect.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mr Maypoo wrote:
    Don't really agree with kicking the club out of the league. Why punish the whole club for something that one employee has done? Its a bit unfair on the whole club, the supporters, the home town, etc.

    *I agree with the part about throwing these bastards in prison and throwing away the key.

    So what do you think the club should do, just sack the player and that be it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its heard to say what a punishment would be. I don't think that you could kick the team out of the league. Sack the players for a start. If they knew about the crime, they would be guilty of perverting the court of justice so they would probably end up in prison. Think of all the supporters it would affect, let alone the economy where the club is based. Its just not realistic to say 'throw them out of the league' when it is only a minority of people guilty.

    Perverting the court of justice in this case is just as bad as the crime itself, so they should just lock them all up and throw away the key.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have a point there: it would be unfair to punish an entire club based on the actions of one sicko.

    However, in this particular case, the manager, the board, the captain (and other players, no doubt) all knew about it but did nothing. It was described by the captain during the court case as "an open secret" but it took years before anything was done about it.

    So in this case it isn't an individual so much as the club itself.

    Quite - the point is that the clubs have a duty of care to their youngsters.

    I suppose something like that would be much less likely to happen these days due to the child protecion regualtions being tighter, but they still have to be vigilant.

    And I agree completely with this:


    "Torbett should have served his full sentence.


    "If there are too many people in jail, then build more prisons.


    "It's the only way to deal with this filth. They should be locked up and shown no leniency whatsoever.


    "It's not only terrible for the kids. It's a slur on our sport."


    Maybe not kick them out of the league, but they should be looking at hefty fines for clubs and bans from working anywhere in football for individuals.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What's more worrying is that the man in the article descibed as "the embodiment of all that was right and proper about the Scottish way of life" allowed this abuse to continue at the club for years without doing anything about it.

    Can you not read? Stein kicked him out, but when Stein left he returned.

    No, I don't think football clubs should be kicked out of the league for this sort of abuse. It's disgusting and disgraceful, but I don't think booting clubs out of leagues is the way to go about it.

    After all, many boys who play for these teams support these teams. Are you, as a scared little ten-year-old, going to be the one who tells on the abuser, meaning your favourite club gets relegated? How many little Bhoys are going to tell on their coach, meaning the hated Rangers win the league? And even on a smaller scale, are you going to be the one who tells on the junior team coach, meaning you and your friends don't get to play in that cup final? Of course you're not, that sort of sanction would create more silence, not less.

    The individuals responsible should be punished under the full weight of the law, and that includes those who know about abuse but ignore it, but punishing the club is a nonsense.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Can you not read? Stein kicked him out, but when Stein left he returned.

    The abuse went on for 10 years before Torbett was kicked out. How nice of Jock to wait that long before giving him the boot.
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