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Is Castro Dying

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5986730,00.html

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5233556.stm

What does this mean for the future, Cuba an American saterlite again will life be better or poorer for those living there

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Let's hope it doesn't become another holiday destination for the American silver-haired brigades and packed full of McDonalds and Taco Bells.

    Though that's what will probably happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Finally Americans will be able to get those cigars legally!
    For the rest of us in the world...no change!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The vultures in Miami must be rubbing their hands already.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    Finally Americans will be able to get those cigars legally!
    thats the first thing that popped into my head as well :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good. Another tyrant soon to be deep in the cold earth.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Isn't Raul Castro a communist too, though?
    Why do you think anything will change if Fidel dies?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Maybe nothing will. But seeing as the USA has always had a predisposition to meddle with other people's affairs this might seem too good an oportunity to miss for the neocons to try to get rid of those Evil Godless Commies.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But they've tried that on numerous ocassions, and failed.
    Apparently Signor Bush is trying to encourage the forming of opposition by imposing more sanctions on Cuba, whatever!

    Thing is, Fidel's ruled for 47 years it's gonna take a long time for things to change even if he dies today and Raul "misteriously" has an embolism tomorrow.

    I reckon Rumsfield would fancy the chance to rule Cuba!! hehe
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    migpilot wrote:
    But they've tried that on numerous ocassions, and failed.
    Apparently Signor Bush is trying to encourage the forming of opposition by imposing more sanctions on Cuba, whatever!

    Thing is, Fidel's ruled for 47 years it's gonna take a long time for things to change even if he dies today and Raul "misteriously" has an embolism tomorrow.

    I reckon Rumsfield would fancy the chance to rule Cuba!! hehe

    No I disagree it could change almost overnight if Castro goes the country looks unstable, Cuban Americans come in with big advertising budgets supported by America, suddenly legal restrictions are lifted American ones regarding investment and trade with cuba and Cuban ones about business ownership, and were well on the way to another free market American state.

    Althrough Cuba isnt all that bad compaired to other countries America supports, it is a dictatorship ruled in part by fear, once that goes as it well could with Castro, who will people look to for stability America and the Cuban Americans.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That would involve a few under the raddar high profile assasinations surely.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Maybe nothing will. But seeing as the USA has always had a predisposition to meddle with other people's affairs this might seem too good an oportunity to miss for the neocons to try to get rid of those Evil Godless Commies.

    Implying that you think the Commies are OK?

    Normally when there is a thread about the death of a dictator or similar everyone is celebrating?

    more apologism for Cuban dictatorship coming up I suspect.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    migpilot wrote:
    That would involve a few under the raddar high profile assasinations surely.

    I dont think so Castro has kept power all to himself for all this time, he goes and there is suddenly a vacume.
    Your suggesting that others in the communist party Cuba will take power Im not sure. Firstly people might be reluctant to accept another leader foisted on them, so that might be difficult also as soon as he goes the Americans will be atalking to all the senior people offering carrot and stick to turn it from a comunist/socialist dictatorship to a ruthless free market dictatorship,, sorry I mean in to a freedom loving democracy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont think so Castro has kept power all to himself for all this time, he goes and there is suddenly a vacume.
    Your suggesting that others in the communist party Cuba will take power Im not sure. Firstly people might be reluctant to accept another leader foisted on them, so that might be difficult also as soon as he goes the Americans will be atalking to all the senior people offering carrot and stick to turn it from a comunist/socialist dictatorship to a ruthless free market dictatorship,, sorry I mean in to a freedom loving democracy.

    I am not suggesting that anyone in their communist party is gonna take power. People in Cuba want the change and you are right, they are afraid of Fidel, so if he is gone, fear is eliminated.
    What I am saying is that those communists have been holding positions in the "government" for a long time, and have spread their roots, so for change to happen overnight, they would need to be taken out of the equation pretty quickly.
    And then there's always the hardcore supporters of Fidel that won't like the change...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    Implying that you think the Commies are OK?
    Er no, not quite.

    I'm simply highlighting the ever-present US hypocrisy of screaming 'evil commie dictatorship' and subjecting one country to the most appalling embargo in human history, while at the same time embracing, financing and supporting fascist dictatorships every bit as bad, and in most cases a million times worse.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Toadborg wrote:
    Implying that you think the Commies are OK?

    I do. But Cuba isn't communist. Stop being a Reganist tit.
    Toadborg wrote:
    Normally when there is a thread about the death of a dictator or similar everyone is celebrating?

    Yes, but Cuba was WORSE under American rule before. Let's hope it doesn't go back.... Cuba is far better off now, and in many ways is better than America.
    Toadborg wrote:
    more apologism for Cuban dictatorship coming up I suspect.......

    And?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Even america has a built in legal mechanism for when a leader is gravely ill and/or undergoing surgery

    and its called the 25th amendment
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    I do. But Cuba isn't communist. Stop being a Reganist tit.



    Yes, but Cuba was WORSE under American rule before. Let's hope it doesn't go back.... Cuba is far better off now, and in many ways is better than America.



    And?

    I wasn't the one describing them as communists

    and why does the coming to the obvious (given the horrors perpetuated by communist dictatorships and the like in the last century) conclusion that communist regimes are bad make you a tit (and a Reaganist?)

    I don't know if cuba was worse before the revolution but that doesn't justify a totalitarian dictatorship, nothing does, even if the healthcare system is good......
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Toadborg wrote:
    I wasn't the one describing them as communists

    Commies = a term for communist as far as I know.
    Toadborg wrote:
    and why does the coming to the obvious (given the horrors perpetuated by communist dictatorships and the like in the last century) conclusion that communist regimes are bad make you a tit (and a Reaganist?)

    As far as I could see you were just stating communism as an evil - much like the paranoia spread by Ronnie whilst he was in power. Communism is hardly evil - but the leaders who abused and used the ideology for thier own means were. They also entirley failed to implement the ideology for the most part. You didn't say "Communist regeimes are bad" you said "You think commies are OK?" implying communism is evil.
    Toadborg wrote:
    I don't know if cuba was worse before the revolution but that doesn't justify a totalitarian dictatorship, nothing does, even if the healthcare system is good......

    Cuba was a terrible, permissive, practically lawless state with a terrible government before. It was were the Americans went for lawless fun, at the cost of the Cuban people. No wonder they got fed up with it and revolted, and good on them for not putting up with the US backed and run regeime of lawless terror. Why is totalitarian dictatorship not fine? It often works far more efficiently than democracy - all that achieves is a bunch of fools trying to look good for the next election - they won't put down long-lasting policies that take time to implement - they need to acheive short term victories because they only have 4 years in which to ensure they stay in power next election.

    The only risk of Totalitarianism is getting a bad leader - luckily Castro has been reasonably benevolent and well intentioned - let's hope his brother is the same. The Cuban economy is growing well and the people are well cared for. Better than they are cared for in America, better educated too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so if the UK were to become a dictatorship, you would be happy with that?

    bizarre..........:confused:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Toadborg wrote:
    so if the UK were to become a dictatorship, you would be happy with that?

    bizarre..........:confused:

    Depends what kind of Dictatorship and the Leader, as with any system.

    Democracy only works with good leaders, and Dictatorship only works with good leaders. Only, the Dictator doesn't have the risk of being thrown out after a short term.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Depends what kind of Dictatorship and the Leader, as with any system.

    Democracy only works with good leaders, and Dictatorship only works with good leaders. Only, the Dictator doesn't have the risk of being thrown out after a short term.

    Exactly, in a democracy you have a choice of some sort.

    I am sure many people in Cuba consider Castro to be a terrible leader, and there is nothing they can do about it......
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