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tories pledge to scrap human rights act
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hmmm im a bit torn on this
i'd prefer a proper bill of rights that cant be tampered with BUT in this country any rights etc can be tampered with so....
it's not even as if the human rights act has to be listened to as all a court can decide is that it's incompatable with the EHRA, they government don't have to listen :S
i'd prefer a fully drawn up constitution for this country, which sets parliament certain powers, courts certain powers and a true seperation of the institutions
i'd prefer a proper bill of rights that cant be tampered with BUT in this country any rights etc can be tampered with so....
it's not even as if the human rights act has to be listened to as all a court can decide is that it's incompatable with the EHRA, they government don't have to listen :S
i'd prefer a fully drawn up constitution for this country, which sets parliament certain powers, courts certain powers and a true seperation of the institutions
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I think a constitution would be a very good idea - in theory. The problem is, I'm not sure it would be possible to get politicians at the moment to actually agree on enough things to get one through. One move I would definitely welcome is removing the Royal Prerogative. It cannot be right that the PM can decide on his own whether he wants to take Britain to war without consulting anyone. Such decisions should be taken in Parliament. A constitution that strengthened Parliament would have my overwhelming support.
There is nothing wrong with the Human Rights Act.
Stories in the right wing press about murderers, rapists and terrorists escaping punishment because of Human Rights Acts= fucking lies.
Every other story regarding Human Rights Act being the reason for this and that= fucking lies.
It is good that the HRA exists. Every other civilised country has it. It is only normal that we should have written rules about the most certain aspects of a person's basic rights.
Countless Britons have benefited from such laws since they were introduced. Of course, the ultra right wing tabloids would rather we didn't know about it.
we won't have any rights at all before long.
can't smoke can't hunt go to jail for not paying the telly man ...
random drug tests ...that bit realy gets my goat.
a guy down the pub recently went for the humble job of meter reader ...had to sign up to random drug testing ...he told them to fuck off ...good on him i say.
passive thanks? ;p
Erm, well, the Tories are a bunch of twunts. Obviously moving furthur right... so, they want a Guantanamo or something do they? Where could we place it... erm... Shetland Isles somewhere?
I don't understand how the rights of peadophiles rapists etc should be put before the people they have hurt and murdered.
I think the act should be completely scrapped. But I'm not sure if a UK bill of rights is necessary. In the UK, we are automatically born with rights unless parliament prohibits them. In theory this is dangerous as parliament could ban all of our rights but this has never happened so i doubt it will start to happen today. I'd like to see what would be included in this UK bill of rights, then I'll make my decision on it.
However, if it get's rid of the E.U Human rights then that's one good thing about it!
Reports of the Act giving more rights to criminals than to victims, or of people abusing the system to make absurd claims are 99.99% lies by the press, and the rest very few cases indeed, not the thousands and thousands of them the right wing press would have us believe.
Rubbish.... show me examples where the act has helped normal criminal cases than those you talk about the above.
Many more cases like that.
Now, why don't YOU provide proof and evidence of the Human Rights Act giving more protection to criminals than to victims, or being abused as the right wing tabloid press claims?
I said REAL life examples from everyday people who ahve benefited such as one who has been raped, gone to the european courts and the criminal has been punished?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1337135.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2959200.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4988756.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4637758.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4131444.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5000238.stm
Why that is it's so good?
Think carefully before you answer...
So other than the first link, which is an opinion many disagree with, the rest of the links have absolutely nothing to do with Human Rights Laws, or are not a bad thing.
Well done.
This is just another triumph for the real people who run this country: the right wing press.
Lets not forget that until the person is convicted they are a victim too.
If they got rid of the act in the UK we would just have to go to the EU to get cases heard, rather than in the UK. This would of course cost even more.
Against that if you get rid of the HRA it doesn't mean that torture will become common place and human rights suddenly get trampled as the Government rushes a dictatorship through the Commons. These things didn't happen before HRA, so there's no reason why they should hgappen afterwards.
As an aside some of the biggest threats to civil rights such as ID cards etc, are allowable under the HRA - so it doesn't seem that great an addition to liberty's arsenal.