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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Thats bloody hilarious!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unmasking the new enemy

    America is at war, but who is the enemy - the real enemy?

    Like the patient who has just learned his body is riddled throughout with
    cancer, most Americans discovered Sept. 11 that while they were living their
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    metastasizing in their midst.

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    disturbing reports of terror co-conspirators in this nation just waiting for
    orders to strike, has understandably caused America - the ultimate land of
    religious tolerance - to scrutinize closely, for the first time, all things
    Islamic.

    Yet, Islam, which claims 1.2 billion adherents worldwide - and 3 to 7
    million in the U.S. -- is largely unknown and mysterious to most Westerners.

    "Islam is a religion of peace," Americans are constantly reassured, the
    terrorists supposedly comprising only a deadly lunatic fringe of a few
    hundred or even a few thousand who have "hijacked" Islam to philosophically
    justify their murderous hatred of the West.

    Not so. While President Bush in his historic Sept. 20 speech "dismissed
    al-Qaida's version of Islam as a repudiated 'fringe form of Islamic
    extremism,'" explains Mideast expert Daniel Pipes, "Muslims on the streets
    of many places - Pakistan and Gaza in particular - are fervently rallying to
    the defense of al-Qaida's vision of Islam. Likewise, the president's calling
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    Unmasking the new enemy

    Diesel

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    Diesel - can you not multi-post the same messages in different threads? I deleted the other copy of this. Cheers.

    Dom
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quote by Diesel:
    However, there is a big problem. "Christian Identity" and other nominally
    Christian fringe groups that clothe their racist or criminal actions with
    biblical authority are an infinitesimally small minority within the universe
    of those calling themselves Christian.


    what utter bollocks! Church attenders are known to be among the least tolerant ppl in our society. They are also more judgemental and (interestingly) more prone to score highly on a lie test. (research summarised in any psychology & religion textbook).

    We only hear the christian view of teh world. We have been brought up, socialised and immersed in it since birth. As Diesel shows, it is easy to be somewhat blinkered by these processes.

    Christianity has and still is directly and indirectly responsible for some of the worst attrocities in human history. I find it far more scary and subtle in its horror than Islam.

    Such racism, ignorance and refusal to employ simple empathy is the reason so much of the world is in trouble today. It is the same mode of thinking that breeds terrorists, islamic or otherwise.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kaz,

    Theres a difference between being intolerant and being an extremist. Im afraid what Diesel says is pretty much true. There are a higher percentage of extremists within the Islamic faith than the Christian faith, you only need to turn on your TV to see this.

    Now im not a Christian myself so im not biased toward them. I happen to think Christianity as bad as Islam..Im not keen on religion in general. However many atrocities have been committed by Christians in the past doesnt really matter, there are relatively few terrorist attacks carried out in the name of God by Christians..Terrorists who happen to be Muslims ALWAYS use religion as an excuse for their crimes but terrorists who happen to be Christian very seldom say they are doing it for God. The example of Tom Mcveigh that the Muslim leaders keep dredging up is a good case. He was a Christian but he never even mentioned God and certainly didnt say he carried out the OKC attack because it was the will of God.
    racism, ignorance and refusal to employ simple empathy is the reason so much of the world is in trouble today. It is the same mode of thinking that breeds terrorists, islamic or otherwise.

    Agreed.

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    fair enough, balddog.

    It's not that I disagree with the bombings either, it's just I wish ppl wouldn't do it with that atitude of smug and moral superiority. All this talk of duty and justice and conquering evil like this is a black&white star wars-esq situation. The way the west acts as if it didn't create the damn problems in the first place with centuries of abismal foreign policies bread out of arrogance. The arrogance of the West never ceases to amaze me.

    I don't hate my country, I'm all for freedom and democracy, and I'll fight to protect it if it comes to that. But I hate the high horse we ride over the rest of the world.

    I agree with you on the religion thing too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have to agree with you too.
    Timothy McVeigh didn't hide behind his religion and use it as his reason for the bombing.
    I wonder if the Taleban/bin Laden or whoever did this is prepared to step out and admit that there is more to this than the word of Islam.
    This has to be because of something more than religion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by kaz:
    We only hear the christian view of teh world. We have been brought up, socialised and immersed in it since birth.

    Kaz,

    You need to get out more. Visit other parts of the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've travelled plenty. Have also studied cultural anthropology and the psychology of many religions. I was talking about the psychological processes of "socialisation", which we all experience as we grow up. Jeeze.

    This is why I don't post in politics anymore.
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