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Drugs and kids

Anyone seen the news lately? the number of kids aged 11-16 taking drugs has risen and so has their alcohol consumption and how often they're offered hard drugs.

So who do we blame? The media? Education? The welfare state?
Society?


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by ~*LIBERTY*~:
    Anyone seen the news lately? the number of kids aged 11-16 taking drugs has risen and so has their alcohol consumption and how often they're offered hard drugs.

    Says who? Is this some sort of survey and if so, you don't suppose people have lied to make themselves look cool do you?

    Just a skeptic...

    So who do we blame? The media? Education? The welfare state?
    Society?

    What about the users themselves? Shouldn't they shoulder some of the 'blame'?

    Or do you mean Who should our scapegoat be?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think I could put the blame on anyone for the fact I use drugs. Like MOK said it's the users who have chosen to consume them. As long as enough education about drugs is provided there is no on to blame but the users themselves.

    I don't believe in curbing peoples freedoms, they should be encouraged to take responsibility for themselves. This is why I believe soft drugs such as pot and ecstasy which have benificial as well as damaging effects should be made legal.

    It should be up the the individual to make an informed decision on wether to use them or not. Drugs such as nicotine (fags) and Heroin which are severely addictive and have no real benifits in street form should remain or be made illegal.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    seeing although there's more and more info about drugs and the substances in them coming out now, it should be the problem of the users

    if you want to take drugs then take them but don't go for help when ur dying of dehydration or OD because, quite frankly, you should be aware of these problems before taking them and if you aren't then you bring it upon yourself

    im sure many people wouldn't walk into a pitch black tunnel without having some idea of what is inside

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MasterDevilish:

    if you want to take drugs then take them but don't go for help when ur dying of dehydration or OD because, quite frankly, you should be aware of these problems before taking them and if you aren't then you bring it upon yourself


    If I saw you passed out choking on your own vomit from consuming to much alcohol, what would you suggest? For me to leave you there? To let you die?

    After all, you drank it, you bought it on yourself!

    Do you believe that people who have attempted suicide should be left to die? Would you leave sombody who'd just cut there wrist to bleed to death or would you try and help them? After all they did it to themselves so why not let them die. Fuck helping them right?

    Sorry, but that seems a bit harsh in my view!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well we always look for a single cause to blame all our troubles on these days. I dont think you can blame the current drugs problem on any single thing, theres a multitude of factors that have lead to this.

    Break up of family life. Now im not talking about the normal argument of having two parents is best etc but the fact that families are physically coming apart and spending a LOT less time with each other. Kids get very bored these days and there isnt much to do. Drink and drugs provide a solution to the boredom.

    Drugs are disgustingly easy to get these days. I can go out now and buy pretty much whatever I want in my small town of 60k people. Its the same across the country.

    I found this a very interesting comment by Skive
    This is why I believe soft drugs such as pot and ecstasy which have benificial as well as damaging effects should be made legal

    Surely heroin, cocaine, meth etc all have beneficial effects as well dont they???

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:

    I found this a very interesting comment by Skive Surely heroin, cocaine, meth etc all have beneficial effects as well dont they???


    I'm not ashamed to say I've tried most things. Out of the drugs you've mentioned the only one I've never tried is Heroin and I don't intend to. I love coke but have to admit it's got no real benifits at all and so should remain illegal. All the drugs you've mentioned can be highly physically addictive. I'm not saying you can't get addicted to pot and ecstasy but it's easier to become dependant on Coke and Heroin more quickly.

    You could say that all drugs can be benificial in a sprirtual way but some are definately more damaging and dangerous than others. Commonly drugs are seen through the eyes of people who don't use them as one group of damaging chemicals (except alcohol). This is a mistake. All drugs are different and should be treated differently.

    I disagree with making anything that grows naturally illegal, such as shrooms and pot. Ecstasy is the only chemical that I believe to be safe in the short and long term.

    Everyone has different views but these are mine. I may not be a scientist but as an informed and experienced drug user I believe I have a better understanding than the politions who make them illegal.

    All drugs can be damaging but some more than others. Two commonly legal drugs are actually responsible for many hundreds of thousands of deaths each year. I'm talking about Alcohol and Nicotine. How can they justify these being legal and other less damaging and more benificial drugs being prohibited. It's only the fact that these drugs are already deeply imbeded into society that they remain available.

    I want to be given the responsibility to choose what I take and what I do. It's not going to hurt anyone else so why do they make acrimminal out of me when otherwise I'd be a normal law abiding member of the public?

    I consider that we drug users are being restricted by people who know nothing about drugs. These people in power are scared about what they don't understand. We understand so let us have the choice!



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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Right on bro!!

    Just as an aside the numbers of under 25's contracting STD's is also on the rise in this country with cases of syphillis rising 50% in the past year and others like chlamidya (sp?) and gonnorhea (sp, why are they so hard to spell and easy to contract) rising by several thousand per year.

    Is this related??

    Are kids now engaging in massive sex-and-drugs parties?? Who told them we used to do the same?? Cheeky little copy-cats.....

    Does all this mean kids are growing up a lot faster than before?? Do they lose their innocence as soon as they grow hair in odd places?? Is there more pressure to act older by doing drugs/ having sex??



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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    And as a comparison, when did you first take drugs??

    For me, 13.

    Only users lose drugs
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I smoked hash at lunchtimes when I was 14...I think people a few years back started just as early but they were always seen as the druggie crowd..Nowadays its more mainstream to smoke stuff when youre young.



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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    Well, I really think that if someone does drugs/smoke/etc. willingly it's them only to blame, but we shouldn't desert them.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think one of the biggest problems is the education system which I've always gone on about in the 'drugs forum', its very difficult to sway kids a certain way when your only reason's are scare stories and inacurate one-sided information sheets.

    I mean, when I was at school the impression I was given about drug users was that they where criminals who regulally went to jail on theft charges, didn't have jobs and were basically dossers who died frequently... it was frowned upon when you asked questions and the only safety instructions you got regardless was 'call the police this is a criminal', I'm sure a good 60% of deaths from various drugs could of been prevented if we had a decent education system..

    Kids always do things which they shouldn't, its part of growing up and rebelling, your obviously not doing a very good job trying to scare a child into not doing something and telling them they will die when half they're friends try it, enjoy it and never have any problems... And the children who do use and seek help are looked upon as criminals and not given suitable help...

    Its a stupid system thats going to get worse until the govenment get their priorities right and realise they can't keep educating youngsters this way and expect them to avoid usage.... Stop spending money on punishment and start spending money on truthful education thats not bias along with safety and rehabilitation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Absolutely.

    I think everyone got told not to play with matches when we were young, and what was the first thing you did when you were old enough to buy your own?? Buy a couple of boxes and set fire to something you shouldn't.

    It's not enough anymore to say "you shouldn't do drugs/ have sex/ listen to fast music/ watch TV after 9.00" because it now provokes the response "Why?" and generally the answers to that question are lame, and kids can detect that lameness and wonder why.

    But educational systems can't be seen to endorse any drug taking as it is still illegal, as with under-age drinking, smoking etc, etc. Showing kids the long term effects (guys on dialysis machines, necrotic cancerous lungs, ropey heroin addicts) doesn't work, firstly because they know their parents drink and it doesn't do them any harm, secondly because of he immense feeling of invincibilty you have at that age.

    The only way to put kids off drugs is to make the image of drug taking about as cool as a physics teacher with a tweed jacket with leather patches on the elbows.
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