Home Politics & Debate
If you need urgent support, call 999 or go to your nearest A&E. To contact our Crisis Messenger (open 24/7) text THEMIX to 85258.
Options

The letter of the law

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Following a recent rant by a customer about the story of the man who was fined because he hit a drug dealer who had been dealing heroin to his children, I thought there was an interesting question involved.

Tha man was protecting his children, however officially he commited a crime - assault. It has been suggested by sources as reliable and fair as the Daily Mail <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> that this is not justice, as the person he hit was a heroin dealer.

So, in cases like this do you think the courts should think about justice (whatever that may be in your eyes) or follow the letter of the law?

Comments

  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But this <STRONG>is</STRONG> justice. Just because the victim was a criminal doesn't mean that this wasn't a crime.

    I trust that the police are following up on the dealer...?
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree that it is still a crime, but not that he should have to pay £100 to the dealer, that's ridiculous, the dealer must tbe laughing.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by PussyKatty:
    <STRONG>I agree that it is still a crime, but not that he should have to pay £100 to the dealer, that's ridiculous, the dealer must tbe laughing.</STRONG>

    Why is is ridiculous?
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you want justice then you must follow it through our legal system (easier said than done in this case)
    if not then we have....... ANARCHY

    If they know hes a dealer hes going to get put away for a long time anyway.....
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>If you want justice then you must follow it through our legal system (easier said than done in this case)
    if not then we have....... ANARCHY

    If they know hes a dealer hes going to get put away for a long time anyway.....</STRONG>

    No, to get anarchy it would involve the removal of the heirarchal system, not just the legal system.

    It is been suggested that the man should be allowed to get away with assault because the victim is a criminal himself. Surely, even as a criminal he should have protection from the law, and any fines which would be paid normally should be paid.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's ridiculous because what does giving him money achieve? Even if I had been beaten up in the street I don't see the point of giving the victim money, personally I would prefer the money to go towards support groups or victim support which has very little funding .
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would imagine it is compensation. If the drug dealer wants to give it to victim support, he can.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the law's the law.
    Yes, the man was acting to protect his children, but in doing so he broke the law. Vigilante action is frowned upon by the courts if there are other options. The man had the option to take photographs and contact the police. But because he beat the shit out of the dealer the police have no evidence that he was a dealer anyway.

    Now he will have to hope that the CPS can get enough evidence from other sources, because they will be unable to use him as a witness.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    <STRONG>Vigilante action is frowned upon by the courts if there are other options.</STRONG>

    Yes, and courts' views on 'other options' tend to be so out of touch with reality that even self-defence armed with a feather duster can land you in the dock. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The law has to be used to protect both parties. My gut reaction is to say "that's not fair". But there's more to it than that. For the legal system not to be undermined, the law must be applied in this case.

    Lets use a less emotive example. A man commits tax fraud. Walking down the street, he is assaulted. The connection isn't here as it is in the other case, but it's the same in principle. In order to be able to apply the law to him in the tax fraud case, you have to give him the protection of the law in the assault case.

    To do otherwise would undermine the authority and utility of the law. You can't have it both ways. It's impossible to pick and choose which situations you will apply the law to.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Scarlett:
    <STRONG>The law has to be used to protect both parties. My gut reaction is to say "that's not fair". But there's more to it than that. For the legal system not to be undermined, the law must be applied in this case.

    Lets use a less emotive example. A man commits tax fraud. Walking down the street, he is assaulted. The connection isn't here as it is in the other case, but it's the same in principle. In order to be able to apply the law to him in the tax fraud case, you have to give him the protection of the law in the assault case.

    To do otherwise would undermine the authority and utility of the law. You can't have it both ways. It's impossible to pick and choose which situations you will apply the law to.</STRONG>

    Well said. The law is there to protect EVERYBODY. To deny the dealer his rights would be hypocritical, if you prosecuted him and not the attacker.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yep, all seemed fine to me <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sitting at work today (in a supermarket) I saw the headline in the Evening standardsaying that he has been told he doesn't have to pay it. Although I don't know the details, if this is just because of the bit of controversy I am against this leneancy.
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the man shouldnt be fined, he is just using self defence. Even though he is not defending himself, he is defending his children. Since his children is not old enough to defend themselves, he has the reason to defend for them. Then of course if he is using too much force then he should be prosecuted.

    I think law should be flexible. There is no absolute right or wrong in this world, every case got to be seen its situation.

    [ 16-05-2002: Message edited by: Nice Kick ]
  • Options
    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    <STRONG>Sitting at work today (in a supermarket) I saw the headline in the Evening standardsaying that he has been told he doesn't have to pay it. Although I don't know the details, if this is just because of the bit of controversy I am against this leneancy.</STRONG>
    I heard that too. The judge let him off, saying that it would be "inappropriate" for him to have to pay the fine.
    That doesn't mean he hasn't been punished though, just that the judge has over-ruled the punishment first imposed.
Sign In or Register to comment.