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Multiculturalism

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Is is a good thing?

There is now more and more a mixture of different cultures in the main cities of the developed world, what do you think are the benefits nad the costs?

What is the concept of "culture" is it simply an illusion or are there very real and definable differences between people. On what is culture based, is it religion, history, political systems or other factors?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Culture is made up of many things such as religion, food, traditions, festivals, fashion. Not easy to define. To a certain extent you can choose your culture eg choose to become a Buddhist or a pagan but other parts you can not choose.

    I do not think it is bad or good, it is neutral. Multiculturalism means a variety of foods avaliable, different festivals and parades in cities, at school you can have friends from different religions as well as your own (or no religion at all). I liked at school finding out about other religions and talking to friends who were Muslim or Sikh to find out their beliefs.

    I would prefer to live in a multicultural country rather than an all white, all Christian place. Variety is the spice of life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its good in theory but its crap in real life..

    What KT said about understanding and finding out about other cultures is the main thing. That sounds all well and good but unfortunately most people dont want to do so. Everyone thinks their own culture and ways are superior. Everyone wants to keep to their own culture and not be affected by the cultures of others.
    On what is culture based, is it religion, history, political systems or other factors?

    All of the above and what KT outlined. Its quite a wide ranging word.

    Im all for a multicultural Britain, just so long as I can pick and choose which alternate cultures I want to be subjected to. Some I find completely disgusting and some I prefer to my own culture.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think if a person is secure in themself then they have no need to feel superior. Why does celebrating your own culture have to involve it being "better" than others. On St Georges day I was getting really pissed off in Brum with all the twats who kept singing anti IRA songs, what does that have to do with St Georges day?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They may have no need to feel superior but they do feel superior..Im not just talking about white British culture here, EVERY culture feels superior to others. If they didnt regard their own culture as being better then they wouldnt cling to it so hard.

    St Georges day...Well I think thats more to do with defiance. Us English arent allowed to celebrate our culture or history without being branded racist nationalists so some people go too far in order to prove a point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would think that the mixing of cultures would reduce some of the sense of superiority. It is difficult to claim superiority if you willingly engage in the events and lifestyle of other cultures. There will be some die-hards but they would find it difficult to remain isolated....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I couldn't agree more with PussyKatty, multiculturalism is neutral. It's up to people to get to know about other cultures and incorporate what's good of them to enrich their lives.
    So depending on the person, multiculturalism can be good or bad. If a person is open-minded they will think it's a good thing. If a person is narrow-minded and generally a bigot, they would think it's an attack on their identity and therefore bad.

    At the end of the day life should be a constant learning experience. We should all mix, travel and learn about our neighbours. Sadly fear of the unknown and a misplaced sense of patriotism prevents some from doing so.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think multiculture is definitely a good thing, as long as you have the freedom to choose the type of lifestyle you want. On the other hand, if one culture is superior than the others, than I think it is not real multiculturism, it is in fact just one dominating culture in the whole country.

    And I think British people benefit a lot through coming in contact with different cultures, at the very personal level they have a wide choice of styles, like food for example. At a broader level, we have got a wider vision - we understand the politics and people of other countries even we havent ever travelled much. Through different cultures we build up more knowledge of the world.

    One issue is we need to respect other people's cultures, even if we don't agree with them. I think that is the key to a harmony country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Multiculturalism is a phallacy.

    In this country we don't accept all cultures into our society, we just tolerate them.

    Tolerance has limits.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    <STRONG>Multiculturalism is a phallacy.

    In this country we don't accept all cultures into our society, we just tolerate them.

    Tolerance has limits.</STRONG>
    I think thats a bit harsh. I don't think it's a fallacy so much as a misnomer.

    I do agree that it is impossible to partake in all cultures whilst maintaining your own individuality, but I think we are more than just 'tolerant'.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
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    In this country we don't accept all cultures into our society, we just tolerate them.
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    Is there anything wrong with that though?

    Everyone on earth does the same. We tolerate them and in some cases even assimilate some foreign cultures into ours. If we didnt see our culture as superior then we would all become Sikhs or Buddhists or summit. Or Sikhs and Buddists would become English protestants.

    All cultures are equal(with a couple of exceptions) in theory but the members of a culture will clearly always think their culture is superior.

    Now ive gone and confused myself again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actually it is quite nice being part of the superior culture with the lesser folk groveling and clawing at the foundation trying to snatch from it a morcel of grace for themselves.

    There! That ought to stir it up a bit!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh shut up. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you think Baldy that culture is fundamentally based on religion then, what then will be the effect in the future as our country becomes increasingly atheistic, will this help people mix or it will increase tension between the mass of atheists and the minority of die-hard religionists....?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In some cases religion is the major factor..With people who come from areas which are staunchly religious, countries with religious govts etc, US bible belt etc. Personally I view religion as being the worst aspect of culture, I really hate religion, or rather what we have made it.

    Personally I think things are just going to get worse. Most white people in the UK are turning atheist, or at least agnostic. We will be left with a hardcore bunch of religious types after that. If everyone on earth become atheist then we would probably have much better integration....i think we know how likely that is to happen though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>Is there anything wrong with that though?</STRONG>

    Nope, which is kind of my point.

    Multiculturalism, as a concept, cannot work because some cultures completely contradict another. So what we develop is a tolerance of those differences. There is nothing wrong with that.

    Multiculturalism and tolerance go out of the window, though, when economic considerations come to the fore.

    "Envy leads to anger
    Anger leads to fear
    Fear leads to the dark side"

    To paraphrase Yoda (or more correctly George Lucas)

    What I mean is that the drivers for a rise in nationalism in the 20s and 30s exists again now, except we have the added problem of barely integrated cultures. The divides which already exist, and the fear that generates, together with the envy of "look how the Govt treats them better than us" are used by nationalists to increase their support and power base.

    Multiculturalism won't mean shit in a few years when the next european war starts...nobody ever said that the next Europeans war wouldn't be a race war...hell the Balkans may just have been the preliminary rounds...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What does multi-culturisum mean? Is it a mixing of people taking bits from various cultures and producing a separate mishmash culture? This is evident in Hong Kong, which had an interesting mix of Chinese, Indian, Malay and British culture. However I would not describe the UK as a Multi cultural nation. We are predominantly a British society, which minority foriegn cultures contained within. Take Bradford for example; here we have voluntary apartheid with the White indigenous population choosing to live in some areas and the Asian pop living in different areas and each ignoring (at best) the other. Is that Multi-culturisum? All cultures are not equal in the UK; the vast majority of the population consider themselves British and adopt British culture. Also if you travel the world today European and North American culture (predominantly based on European Culture) is by far the most dominant. The forces of globalisation will only enforce this to become even more so.

    Paul
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>They may have no need to feel superior but they do feel superior..Im not just talking about white British culture here, EVERY culture feels superior to others. If they didnt regard their own culture as being better then they wouldnt cling to it so hard.</STRONG>

    This isn't necessarily true. People "cling" to their cultural backgrounds for other reasons. For safety and familiarity--it's what they know and what they are comfortable with. Out of fear--fear of not fitting in with a new culture may stop people from even trying to fit in. Appreciation of history--customs and traditions help people feel rooted. These are only a few examples that sprang to mind as I read your post, but I'm sure there are more.

    It isn't a matter of being superior but of trying to hold onto an identity, or of valuing culture. I may like Romanian music, and continue to listen to it in an English speaking country. That does not mean that I think it's superior to English music, merely that it is a piece of culture that I appreciate and do not want to lose. Understanding my cultural background helps me to understand where I came from, and why my ancestors made the decisions that they did that brought me where I am today.

    Hmm.. that was a bit philosophical, but nevermind. I'll stop before it gets too heavy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the drivers for a rise in nationalism in the 20s and 30s exists again now,
    but we have a good economy unlike the times of crisis in the era between the wars.....
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